Advice needed....bad infestation!

Infections
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Hi. So glad I found this site! I responed to another thread (how much do I not want to hear that word!) but thought I'd start a fresh one to describe my situation (hell!) and seek advice

I teach so I tend to blame the kids for the infections. I've had threadworms twice in 4 years despite being very hygenic at school. Each time they took some shifting.

My latest infestation is terrible. It started 9 weeks ago (saw worm in anus) and then realised I have been showing other symptoms but hadn't put 2 and 2 together.

I took an Ovex tablet but because you then have to do a massive clean I then took some Ovex liquid formula a week later incase I inhaled eggs in dust. I took the second Ovex at the right time. Things improved.

Into the 3rd week I took another tablet (a right pill popper I am!) just to be safe. Could I have made myself immune to the tablets?

I didn't change my diet and continued to drink quite a bit of alcohol on nights out. Lo and behold they came back with a vengeance.

I had them in my vagina and intestines (very itchy bottom). I freaked and took Ovex. 4 days later it hadn't improved so I saw my Doctor and like a fool, broke down in tears at age 30!

She couldn't work out why Ovex wasn't doing the job so she assumed it was down to my hygene on some level. I said that it was always possible that I was inhaling the eggs when dusting/hoovering etc. What a farce.

She gave me Pripsen (powder sachet). This certainly calmed them and I started to pass them (dead) BUT all the while my vagina was very sore and the discharge (sorry for the detail but it may help others!!) was 'stringy, white and worm like'.

Yes I freaked. Unsure as to whether they were dead. I assumed that Pripsen was getting rid...doing it's job. I made massive change to diet - no wine/beer, chocolate, cheese, bread. Cut down on carbs. Stopped all processed food. Bought stuff from Holland and Barrett herbal shop.

All went well until... the mucus in my nose appeared white and stringy. The flaming things had entered my nasal passages. I don't know how. I'd read on the internet that it was possible (they NEVER say this on the treatment information leaflet!). I freaked. My nose was itchy. I tried nasal spray...this was hurting my nose as there wasn't actually anything wrong per se. I continued with the cleaning and swabbing of all bodily areas.

I took another Ovex a day earlier than recommended (I could tell they were alive in my gut) and sure enough started passing dead worms in stools. Freaked again. Seriously - at this point I thought I was going insane. Couldn't sleep. Felt weak. Spending an absolute fortune on cleaning products. Started to actually throw away clothes, knickers and duvets (see, insane!!)

Okay, let me end this essay...sorry. Basically, I have one Pripsen sachet left to take on Friday but I still have stringy mucus in nose. Vagina is showing 'worm' symptoms again ...and...they are coming out of my eye discharge (not kidding!). I have no idea if they are alive as they are soo small and stringy (like the nose). Worse when I wake up in the morning. I was getting more crusty sleep in the eyes...then I had a proper look...and got a hell of a shock. Nearly vomited even though they were tiny and dead.

I am in hell. I do not know how to kill them in these areas. The internet says it's possible for them to reach these regions but offers no solutions.

I'm eating soo much fruit but I read that this could encourage. I just don't know what to do for the best. I am exhausted - I can't sleep, have rings under eyes, my hands are soo sore and fingers look like I've been in the bath for a month. I won't have friends over and they have noticed 'I'm ill'. School starts tomorrow and I am dreading it.

Sorry for the ramblings but I wanted to be honest and give a complete picture!

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ADVICE?

Anyone ever had the discharge in the eyes, nose, vagina (sorry guys)

I am at my wits end and soo run down with all this.

Thanks for your time.

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Its a real bitch that the subscriptions arn't working... I would say keep taking them anyway but seek other remedies. There are herbs you can take and i hear garlic is a really gd one to take. You dont need to stop drinking alchohol i shouldn't think... the toxins should help to kill them. Your not alone here i found out i have them tonight im going to seek a doctor tomorrow. Ive been working on a building site for a year so it think i caught these through dust or something. As for the worms coming out of other areas that is quite unusual but believable. I hear these worms cant live in any other area apart drom the colon and the anus for very long so i think those worms should die quite quickly if not already dead. Keep goin be patient. I'n the meantime try to stay relaxed about it. As discusing as they are they wont cause you any harm in the short term aslong as they dont stay in your sytem for years on end. You should be rid of them before that happens.

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I've been suffering from this for 10 years. Every single doctor and my mother thinks I'm nuts.

I had them in my ears several times.

Here's advice: Use every drug available, including de-worming drugs for dogs. They work better than the human drugs and they wont hurt you.

Prepare an enema every day. Boil garlic in mineral water then cool it. These things cant stand garlic.

Make a juice out of carrot and garlic. Add as much garlic as you can stand. Take first thing in the morning with the drugs. Keep the pressure on.

Never, ever eat sugar or starch, EVER. Drink as much water as you can stand.

There are soloutions that you drink to promote the growth of healthy intestinal flora and fauna. Get it at your heath food store.

Papaya extract (papain) and pineapple extract (bromlean) melt the skin off them.

Tea made from pomagranate skins kills the eggs.

If you can, consult an Asiatic doctor (chinese). They know the ancient wisdom on this stuff.

No living thing goes thru it's entire life cycle alone. We are all God's creatures, and we are all mortal. God Bless You,

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I am so glad I have found this forum. I am 40 and have suffered this on and off since I was 12! I haven't gone to my doctor as I am mortified. I just keep going to different chemists to buy the pills. They go away for a while. I've been clear for months at a time, then they come back. I am clean in myself and my home so don't understand why I can't get rid. In my teens I even took laxatives to dispel them. That was scary, seeing just how many of them came out! I have been married twice and yet my husbands have never known I have this. I am so ashamed. I am going to try the dog tablets if they are ok for humans.

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I work with children and have recently noticed the signs of threadworms. I am very hygienic and am distraught that I have somehow caught them. I have told my partner, though it took me a few days before I could tell him what was bothering me. He's going to take pills with me, as they are easily spread from person to person and he could very well have them without noticing.

I spotted one on the couch earlier (by spotted, I mean I was looking closely to see if I could find any) and it has freaked me out. I can't possibly wash all of my bedding, clothing, couch covers and cushion covers everyday!

I am anxious to read that so many people are having a hard time getting rid of them and even when they do, there is a reoccurence.

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Boil wash all fabric then dry then put in a freezer for 24 hours. Eat walnut tincture, grapefruit seed extract and a bulb of garlic a day.

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One little question: How are you seeing them? Aren't they too small? I feel sometimes that I may have them due to an itchy anus, but I never see them...?

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I think I've felt them in my ear lobes and around the base of my nose, presumably recently-hatched eggs.

But while I poke them furiously when I feel one in my ear, or blow through my nose equally furiously, I'm not too bothered about actually identifying them visually. Just getting rid of the wretched eggs. What makes me especially mad is feeling them on my face sometimes. And I can't be sure it's not imagination or some small and less objectionable beastie.

I've also woken up with a more caked matter in my eyes in the last few days, but didn't put it down to the worms, probably erroneously. It makes sense since I'm always poking my eyes.

Worst of all is the washing in the mornings and at night, which take me an age. A shower would be a godsend.

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No, Bev, the eggs are invisible, but the worms look like a piece of white, cotton thread with a kind of pinhead at the end.

I read on here, they disappear pretty much as soon as the stools hit the water, but I saw one on a piece of toilet paper and a number of other dead ones in my stools, after taking an Ovex tablet.

Sorry to be so blithe, but its pointless being squeamish about going into such details among ourselves, isn't it.

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Hi,

I don't know if I have Threadworms because the doctors here in the US are in total denial that anything like this could exist. I have had some kind of worm for more than a year. I am not sure when I may have been exposed but I am pretty sure my husband had them first.

Last year when I first noticed that something was going on I thought I had Pinworms. I took over the counter worm medicine and tried to give myself an enema with cider vinegar. I noticed that my rectum was clogged with hardened eggs. Didn't think too much about why because I had not researched these worms yet. What happened later caused me so much pain that I thought I would not be able to stand it. They came out and clamped down on the skin along the crack of my buttocks and also laid eggs. When they were laying I could feel them flicking their tail. The skin in the areas that they laid eggs became slick and extremely painful and red. I was given the first dose of Mebendazole 1 pill 2 weeks apart. It did not get rid of the worms. Then I was given a pill 1 week apart for 3 weeks. This time the worms began leaving my skin. I thought that I would be rid of them for good but even after getting a colonoscopy they came back within 3 weeks.

I tried to take over the counter Pinworm tablets when they became too bad. I was getting control finally in January of this year. I thought they were gone. Then my husband and I had sex and overnight they were back with a vengeance. I took Pinworm meds for three months. Overall during the year from the first time I discovered I had worms I have taken these meds 36 times. Finally decided I had to do something else. I took another enema this time with soda and salt. They went NUTS! again, this time they went all the way up to my tailbone.

I decided to visit my doctor and did receive some help. A fecal test to do, negative results. Mebendazole again same first dose as before. It seemed to make them worse. My bottom was so painful I could not sleep, I was constantly trying to wash them off-they really attach themselves good when they are laying. It was so bad I could barely sit down. I tried to blow them off of my bottom with the shower spray and the jets of the hot tub with the temp at 104'. Don't do that because even though it does get rid of some eggs and worms from your skin it spreads the eggs in the air and some will land on your skin and attach. When you scratch them off they bleed like you've removed a tick. They also get in your ears and maybe even eyes. I have seen some eggs in my tissue after blowing my nose so I know I must have inhaled some too. As far as the vagina I have had them try to go there and lay eggs but I think I stopped them with a vinegar douche. They did not like the acid I think. Alcohol does not kill the worms or eggs, neither does bleach or any cleaning product we use. I have seen baby worms in underwear that were washed in hot water.

I went back to the doctor with my totally raw bottom. This time I received a foam rectal treatment, and an itching,anxiety med and sleeping pills. The itch meds helped the most. The foam was a messy joke and if it killed anything it only did something in my rectum.

My bottom was so bad I went to the ER for help. What a joke. They stood in a half circle and looked at my bottom. Then the ER doctor stuck an alcohol wipe dripping with alcohol up my bottom and pulled it out saying well I don't see anything. Burned for hours afterward. Regardless he did prescribe Alenzadole. I took it for 10 days. Still had worms. And the charges were over $2000.

I am currently trying to find an infectious disease specialist who will treat me. The first one I tried required a fecal lab test showing there were worms in my stool. I have had two and this lab here cannot find any eggs or worms. It seems strange since when I sent in the sample I was positive that I saw worms in the stool. Needless to say this receptionist would not make an appointment for me with that do

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To the woman who started the post did you ever get rid. And how ??? Same problem. Feel like killing my self it's depressing me that much

Thank u

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Perhaps I can give you some advice. I've had them badly too... I've coughed one up whilst running, I've had them in my nose and have even had them come out of my ears squashed on the end of cotton buds. Now the size of the worms I'm talking about were larger than threadworms, but they were still a form of roundworm. I have not had them officially diagnosed because although I gave some to my GP on the end of a cotton bud, the lab came back saying nothing found! I think what must have happened is that the damn thing must've dehydrated and moulded itself to the bud so it couldn't have been seen. I was shocked though because it was really quite big. Anyway piperazine (the powder) will only get rid of them in the bowel and it's not very thorough and I think it's only useful if you have absolutely masses of them just to clear sheer numbers (good for under 2s aswell and pregnat Mums). It paralyses them (so do the cloves in natural remedies) so that they can't make that 'S' shape and cling on to the sides of your bowel. Piperazine usually has a light laxative too so you can pass them faster. Mebendazole 100mg is the tablet widely available in the form of Pripsen and Ovex and is the only med that will kill them in the vagina, nose, ears etc... It is very attractive to the worms, they eat it and it stops them absorbing protein which they need to live on. Like the piperazine you must ALWAYS have a follow up treatment, Pripsen packets used say to take a repeat dose after 14 days (between the remaining eggs hatching and becoming of reproductive age) but given that in their ideal environment (your intestines) they can hatch within 4-5 hours, and in my experience, I would recommend sooner... 7-10 days. The trouble is you may still have eggs in your environment in the home for 2-3 weeks so I believe you should take a third dose after 14-21 days. Now the amount... the amount recommended for larger roundworm is 100mg twice daily for three days ... so we know this is safe. I follow that when I get any symptoms whatsoever. We don't absorb the mebendazole, they do! Mebendazole is perfectly safe to take in frequent doses, but the timing to clobber them at all lifescycle stages is important to rid yourself of them.

My advice on herbs is don't take them. I'm sorry but I really do think this. They are too slow to work and the worms hate them and will try to migrate to other parts of the body to get away from them in the bowel, hence, your vagina, nose, ears etc become an attractive alternative. Tempt them with mebendazole nectar and kill!

Btw they are far more prevalent in Winter than at any time of the year. Again don't know why but they are. So if you suspect you have them, have a pause and think what time of year it is!

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Hi There People

A little background, several years ago ( 10 plus )I got an itch round my anus, I did not know what it was and could not understand it, so I went to the Doctor.

He then sent me to outpatients for a biopsy, these two junior Doctors were more interested in what they were going to do at the weekend than my problem.

Consequently they took a small biopsy of the top of my leg [ near my anus, but not near enough ] as you can well imagine it came back negative.

So that was that, I never put two and two together about the "coming out at night time" effect.

Several years now went by.

Anyway I saw a documentary on television related to this subject and thought "YES", I straight away went to my computer and came back with "Mebendazole" on advice from the Pharmacist,I took the course.

I took two course's and I do not think it was doing any good, so next time I went in the the chemist the Manager was on duty and he told me to try "Ovex" 14 days apart etc.

I purchased a 4 tablet pack and am now taking them every "SEVEN DAYS" I believe this does not give the little blighter's chance to recover.

I have to say that the itching has not stopped but slowed down considerably.

At the end of my fourth table I am going to get another 4 tablet pack.

Just to re-enforce the full effect

Sounds like I work for McNeil Products Ltd, the licence holder,but I don't.

Apart from the itching the main thing that puzzles me is why the Health Authority does not address this problem, because I firmly believe it is more widespread than what is imagined.

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I totally agree with you Tony. Ovex is the best and I had to take them weekly for 6 weeks until I felt better. How are things now?

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Hi Carrie

So glad to hear from a fellow sufferer,sorry but that is the English language for you.

Anyway onwards and upwards

Things have calmed down now ( at last ) so what I am doing now is as follows.

I am taking one tablet every two to three days, i.e. last Wednesday > last Friday > last Monday > and today Wednesday and the last one will be this Saturday.

I have read the covering guidelines and the way I am taking them there is no risk of overdose.

Guess what I feel a whole lot better.

Maybe we should start a club or coffee morning or glass of wine in a pub for all the people who who suffer with these problems and we could pass on tips etc to other people.

Any suggestions ?

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lol... Tony it has taken me so many years to even talk about them on this forum never mind in a club. I suppose it would be a good idea in theory to get together but unfortunately I don't live on the mainland UK any more so I probably wouldn't be able to drive to where you and possibly a lot of the other sufferers are so if you have any more tips please do let us know on here!! Let me know how you get on.

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Toni from UK and Carrie 1 So glad you have good news to report. I think I have beaten them in my intestines although I still have some itching around my Anus. My biggest problem is that they got in my eyes and on my face. I have just about healed my face, killed the worms and gotten most of the eggs. I still have some at my hairline on each side. Difficult to get the eggs out of those areas with hair. I would like to try the Ovex but not sure where to get it here. They have some on Amazon but it is not made by the manufacturer you quoted. I think if I could take them and get rid of them in my eyes and ears I could finally be rid of them.

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Yes apparently they don't sell it in the US anymore for some strange reason it has been discontinued (I am presuming you are from the US anon123. If you go onto Chemist direct. co. uk they sell it

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Hi There Anon123

First of all heres a link;

As you can see it is Ebay in the UK

This is Ebay in the US;

BOTH HAVE OVEX, ( these are made by the manufacturer ) cheaper than Chemist Direct

Now then may I be so bold as to give you some advice

Before you go to bed either have a shower or wash your hands and face, then I would like you to put either some gloves on or mittens, preferably mittens that way it will hinder the scratching, and if you have more than one pair I would rotate them

1 wearing

2 in wash

3 drying

I firmly believe over time this will get rid of the problems in and around your eyes.

The next thing on the agenda where do we have the club house and who is going to run the food section and who is going to run the booze section.

We now need a member who has a helicopter, so they can fly Carrie1 in from her house.

But seriously though I would not wish this problem on anybody

Emis Moderator comment: I have removed the 2 eBay links as we cannot show links encouraging buying medication online. It is up to users if they want to search eBay for medicines.

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Tony you are hilarious lol.... that really has made me laugh