British doctor says he would have TURP.

Question from a reader in today's Daily Mail Health section.

  For a long time I’ve suffered from an enlarged prostate, but I cope quite well so I’ve managed to avoid surgery. Nevertheless, when I heard about UroLift I thought I’d finally found the answer. Now I’ve read about yet another procedure, PAE (prostate artery embolisation). If you were in my shoes, which procedure would you choose?

Answer: After four decades in medical practice I have learned to be cautious of any new drug or treatment, medical or surgical, especially before making recommendations, because experience tells me that new quite often isn’t better and can sometimes end up being worse.  An enlarged prostate, known medically as benign prostatic hyperplasia, is increasingly common in men with age.  Over the years, male hormones cause the gland — which sits around the urethra and underneath the bladder — to become slowly enlarged. This can obstruct the urethra, leading to a poor stream, hesitancy (an intermittent stream), urgency (needing to go in a hurry) and nocturia (going more than once at night).  Medications can be very effective — alpha-blockers work by relaxing the muscle of the prostate tissue, while alpha-reductase inhibitors block the effects of male hormones — but a significant number of men do still require surgery. 

Since the Eighties, the most popular option has been transurethral resection of the prostate (TURP), a keyhole procedure where a wire, guided by a camera, is inserted into the urethra then heated to burn away some of the enlarged gland. TURP remains the gold standard because it’s the only procedure that long-term studies have shown is safe and effective.  However, some men fear TURP as it involves a general anaesthetic and two or three days in hospital. Some are also anxious about the potential risks, as TURP can damage a sphincter (or valve) at the entrance of the bladder, causing retrograde ejaculation — where semen is sent backwards into the bladder. Erectile function is not harmed, but patients are no longer fertile.  The UroLift System is a new option that can be done under local anaesthetic. Two to four pairs of what are effectively treasury tags are used to pull back the enlarged tissue, improving flow.  The procedure seems to be effective, but no more so than TURP, and there are questions about how long the effects might last as we don’t yet have enough long-term studies to know. 

Also the treasury tags are, in part, metallic, which may distort the signal in MRI imaging should that be needed in the future, for example to diagnose prostate cancer. 

PAE is another new procedure (first used in the UK in 2012) that must be regarded as experimental until we see the results of large studies — and the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence approves it. Here, the prostate is shrunk by using microscopic particles to block the blood vessels supplying it. It’s done by feeding a catheter up through the main artery in the groin under local anaesthetic.  

I think you will guess the option I’d prefer if I were in your shoes.

 

Interview him again after he has had it done. cheesygrin

I agree ask him how it went afterwards.

I have had a PAE which cannot have worked as I have had 2 or 3 episodes of Acure rentention since.

However I now carry catheters around with me and the last 3 times I have had AUR I have self catheterised and this has been a god send. I only get AUR when Im out on the p**s so it is all self-inflicted.

However I would never, ever submit myself for a TURP despite the local hospital saying I need it!

Just not prepared to take any risk of the potential downside.

I am now trying out Finasteride to see if i can tolerate it, so far so good.

What is this?

​Some sort of advert for Turp.

​Who is this doctor supposedly advising?

​Does this doctor value his sexual function.

​Please explain

I hope that you are aware of this:

Avoid sex without a condom if your partner is pregnant or of child-bearing age. Crushed tablets should not be handled by women who are pregnant or planning to become pregnant. Consult your doctor or pharmacist for more details.

The good doctor would have told you not to have PAE. He is a good doctor with an extensive private practice although he may from some comments have recently retired. He is also the medical script advisor to a medical TV series..

No its not an advert for TURP. If you read it, he is answering a readers question and covers all sorts of medical questions each week.  

Derek

I appreciate your warning re Finasteride however having a TURP will guarantee us never being able to have any more children in the conventional way at least!

Again, why would anyone do TURP as anything but a last resort? There are very few surgeries that have "been around since the 80s" that they still do. Dangerous, long recovery, guaranteed RE and a risk of devastating side effects for results that are typically functionally comparable to the other procedures he disparages. A quack IMO.

Doctor Sounds like a one trick pony just like my first uro.

Sex? Least of my worries or concerns.

According to most figures about 80%. At the age people have prostate surgery they usually have completed their families. 

I'm not arguing I'm just quoting the article. I ran a mile from TURP in 1995 and waited for a good laser procedure to come along but from the figures TURP is still the most used procedure. 

Your preaching to the converted but you cannot deny that it is still the most widely used procedure like it or not.You may have had a choice but many do not.

He is a GP not a urologist.

As someone I used to work with said, I would rather have a cheese sandwich. However he did have six kids.

RE does more than impact your ability to procreate. It also has a significant effect on the sex esperience

Don't shoot the messenger, I'm showing what a doctor would choose for himself.

Perhaps the choice is between getting up six times a night as opposed to getting it up twice a night:-)

 

Hi Derek,

The TURP can lead to incontinence, and or impotence. The TURP is called the gold standard because the advertising from the company that sells the special equipment needed to do it, uses that phrase in their advertising. It's been used a long time, and therefore, on many men. That does not mean that it's the best procedure, only that over time it was the most used. If you look throughout this site, as you should before you make any decision, you will read many horror stories about it.

The PAE is done by an interventional radiologist, not a urologist, so it will never be recommended by a urologist. A general practitioner probably has no business recommending any of these procedures unless he has had them done on himself.

The Urolift, like the PAE, has only been done in the last several years. There are, therefore, many doctors out there who are just learning to do them. You don't want a doctor to be learning on you.

In summary, both the Urolift and the PAE can be very effective if done by a a doctor with a great deal of experience successfully doing the specific procedure.

The PAE is by far the most benign of all of the procedures for BPH. I had 3 of them, and the third one, done by a second doctor, has been very effective. I would have 10 of them before I considered a Urolift, and I wouldn't consider a TURP under any circumstances.

Neal Pros

No need to preach to the converted, I am only the messenger relaying an article about what is still the worlds most used procedure. I you read my posts on here going back years you would know that I turned  down TURP in 1995 and that as soon as I read Johnny's first post I PM'd him of its dangers and listed the alternatives with a link to the NICE web site. I don't  know if he ever found it to read  and others I sent him as they were not replied to.

However TURP does work for some prostates and Johnny has been advised by his consultant who is evidently the deparment head.that it can be done without RE.

I don't know about profit for makers of TURP equipment which is cheap compared to Laser equipment. Also laser procedures for State hospitals in the UK and Canada is a cost saver overall as it is normally day surgery. 

Three PAE's? Wow! That really is a successful procedure:-) Why did the first two not work?

After my GL in 2004 life was back o normal by day three. After my Thulium/Holmium laser in 2013 it took a couple of weeks as I got an infection as the catheter was let in to long.  

In Johnny's case we don't even know if PAE is an available option  for him in Canada.