What causes Immune systems to become useless and non functional ? Is it drugs too many, to strong ,killing off what is good stuff in our blood, ?
taking yet more drugs to compensate for blood disorders,to give the system chance to revive to fight back, but seemingly never does.
What happens when the immune system can't take any more drugs,
does it shut down totally, and then what?????????????????????????
That is a good subject. We need the likes of the long termers to hopefully come up with some answers to a complex subject.i suffer with two autoimune problems so taking tabs for both + other complaints. I hope the term ( long termers) does not cause offence.
O.K. David, have you misread or ,misunderstood my post? Where did you pick up the inclusion of long termer, I am trying to get some answers about destroyed immune systems, which, I understand can happen at any age So, tell me. Where did your probs start, drug related or not ????
When i mentiond long termers, i was refering to the girls who have bought the T/ shirt so to speak,and are very knowledgeable about certain subjects.the likes of Elieen & MrsO. They just might pop in for a chat with you.Thyroid&PMR are my two autoimmune niggles.I think we just have to accept poor sleep,aches.feeling cr@@ in the morning. I try not to let it drive me in the ground. hope you get some good feed back.all the best HEY HO.Dave
whatever you are on, is doing you NO good, but I like your laterals!!
seems as though everybody has a well lit immune system .Ain't the boys got access to the T--shirts?????????????????????????????????????
I'm of the opinion that many take too many drugs....one drug doesn't know what the other drug is doing etc...
I take but a few which include Armour thyroid, blood pressure meds and ibuprofen for osteoarthritis, fibro and a mess from hip replacement.
I'm of the opinion that for every drug one takes, there are many supplements that can do the same thing without side effects.....all drugs have side effects, some worse than others....
I love supplments and have been taking Grape Seed Extract and/or Pycnogenol for 19 yrs this month....I have a very strong immune system and I'm 76.
I take many other supplements to keep myself as healthy as possible for as long as I'm here on this planet....
I see only integrative MD and take all supplements and a drug IF needed....
I'm in the U.S. and deal with a messy hip replacement.
Morning Joy, or whatever time you are on at thu moment Have to say
you and I are in agreement over supplements, I take them for problems
that should be on drugs!!!! nd find the naturals are better, and work
So sorry to hear about your hip. I have a dodgy almost useless thumb.
due to careless surgery
I think that lots of people are unaware that they feel worn out, and
catch every bug that drifts past them, is probably caused by constant
ingestion of chemicals , another drug for another problem ,and as you
say, all fighting each other ,to the detriment of the immune system
I know here n the U.K antibiotics are overused ,and now being
demanded for the ailments that do not need them
Hope you are not taking too many Ibobrufen they can be a tad savage
Yes, I agree on antiobiotics being handed out like candy, happens here in the U.S. as well, I'm in Southern Calif...and avoid them with a passion unless absolutely necessary....
When I feel something might be coming on, I hit my Echineaca and this herbals stops anything in it's path.....I'm talking a cold or the like....I never flu shots as my immune system is strong....
Thanks to finding Pycnogenol and then Grape Seed Ex a year later....These are both from France and Pycnogenol hit the U.S. in about 1994, I found it in 1995 and at a lecture we were told it "may" prevent cancer, I was sold and the first things that went were allergies and sinus issues....a lifelong allergy and since condition....
Yes, I agree on the pollutants, thanks to our capitalistic profiteers....we fight it here and with climate change, so much is worse NOW.....it's almost frightening and I don't like to live in fear....but it's pretty bad.....
I take DGL (deglycerrized licorice) for stomach protection from ibuprofen and so far so good......it's been a miracle for me, so many take drugs for their stomach issues......I had a stomach ulcer in the 80's from a pharma drug and that was my beginnning of my dislike for the drug world....
Anway, make sure your Vit D is optimal and magnesium is critical too for bone health and heart health as well......bye for now. joy
I'm a member of some other health groups and one member just sent this info thru and thought of you and Immune System...most days I take a swig of my CS:
The establishment medical system says there is no cure for Ebola. The vaccine that they hastily put together may or may not work, but is likely not to work based on the history of vaccines.
Just before the “wonder drug” penicillin came on the scene around 1940, doctors used a general purpose, broad spectrum antibiotic known as silver, usually in the form of silver nitrate. Penicillin, which has since been discovered to be useless against the new superbugs, had to be replaced with Amoxicillin, which has also become useless. However, both drugs were very profitable, and is the true reason for their promotion.
So why did silver come into ill repute? Simply because it was much cheaper than the so-called wonder drugs which were touted with much marketing hype. As it turns out, silver (and also copper) cannot be resisted by any kind of pathogen, no matter how much they mutate, making silver a superior product.
In modern hospitals, research has been performed which shows that hospital objects are vectors for spreading germs, such as plastic trays and hospital doors. In the past, brass push plates were put on swinging doors because it was known that the copper in brass (brass = zinc + copper) killed germs. Recently, hospitals in Israel re-discovered that copper is an excellent material to use in hospitals for everything, including food trays. Copper-lined clothes, such as copper-woven socks, destroy bacteria and therefore the bad odor that normally occurs. Silver is even slightly better than copper, as it is a better conductor of heat and electricity. It could be that these conductors “short out” pathogens. Nevertheless, regardless of how they work, copper and silver destroy germs, super or otherwise.
If the scare of Ebola or MRSA comes to your neighborhood, why not be prepared and have some silver solution on hand? You could be dead in two weeks waiting for your order to arrive, and the medical establishment doesn’t even offer colloidal silver. The newer silver solutions are suspended silver particles in a distilled water base and are called colloidal silver. Sometimes they are called ionic silver.
Colloidal (Ionic) silver can be taken internally or externally. It is even safe enough to spray in the eyes, unlike silver compounds. Also, the level of silver ion concentration is so low that it does not pose any risk of turning one blue, which can occur at high concentrations (>500 ppm) and in large amounts (1 quart/day) over an extended period (months).
The Out of the Box Remedies products only use 10 ppm colloidal silver.
Keep Your Immune System in Top Shape
Besides colloidal silver, it is important to boost your immune system when a pandemic (or epidemic) occurs. Out of the Box Remedies also has an Immune Boost formula that keeps viruses at bay. The Immune Boost formula contains the top rated herbs for viral infections, namely Lomatium dissectum, Elderberry, and Goldenseal.
Lomatium dissectum has a history of success in the great flu epidemic of 1918. A certain tribe of Nevada, U.S., Indians were cured of this deadly flu by taking Lomatium dissectum root.
Elderberry has been demonstrated in recent years to make body tissue “slippery” to viruses, so they cannot gain a foothold and infect the host. This is the active ingredient in a popular antiviral remedy called Sambucol.
Goldenseal is also a top-rated antiviral remedy that is well-known by our grandmothers, right up there with chicken soup.
The Immune Boost formula offered by Out of the Box Remedies can be taken orally.
Counter-attack Viruses Where They Usually Strike First
A special variation of the Immune Boost formula has been prepared that does not contain any alcohol, an extreme irritant to nasal passages. The Antiviral Nasal Decongestant contains colloidal silver and Goldenseal, a knock-out combination for getting rid of nasal viruses. Taking antivirals orally alone does not get rid of the source of most viral infections: the ones in your nasal cavity.
Hello Joy, I have no idea how you found my post, but Iam so glad you did What a shed load of information, all good and hopefully other people will
find it and use some if not all of your excellent reasoning and proof that
hebal products are a million times better and kinder to our bodies. I
suppose that there are not many people who have not been battered
by drugs for no other reason that it's easier for doctors to hand them out.
Please don't disappear
Morning Joy, Just thought I would ""pop across" and see how you are .
Does your hip give you a lot of pain, and restricts your life ?
An aunt of mine , damaged her hip with a fall 5 years ago, and still has to use a walking cane, and is still in pain
I have to have an operation on my shoulder shortly,and keep the arm
in a sling for 4 weeks mimimum, that will be fun ,as I am left handed.
Hope the sun is shining on you ,that's good for Vit D
take care
Just a short note as I'm a little rushed today, but I've had shoulder issues for about 10 yrs....I can Lift my arms over my head ok and a little pain, but work thru it. Surgery opens up a whole bigger can of worms.....I don't know anyone with no complications.
I've had PT on the right shoulder which is the worst, and also Dextrose Prolotherapy which gave me 3 yrs of relief.....but I manage and do NOT want any more surgeries if I can help it....
I had a hip replacement in 2010 and it's been a mess, I still do life but I have a lot of limitations, but at 76 it's OK....I did a long life with a lot of work and exercise....and a lot of fun too.
Sun is shining but I don't spend time in the Sun anymore, bothers me and the skin cancer issue. I count on my Vit D supplements.....later,
Hi Joy, a bit late tonight, been watching "" Last Night of The Proms""
Must have had the fastest appointment ever The consultant gave me
Four minutes,,told me nothing, except that I had severe Diviticulitis ,then sent me on my way Thank goodness for that. I thuoght there was something seriously wrong with me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What's PT ??
Whose perfect, no one I know, so we all must be normal.
Speak soon night .
PT is Physical Therapy and it kept my shoulder from freezing...
There are many helpful alternative treatments for Diviticulitis....including changing one's diet....
I believe there is an alternative type healing for all health issues....now if it's a matter of life or death, then I suppose I'd go to the drug world.
So many interesting topics here but don't know how much energy I have to chat more...I've been on health groups since 2006 and have loved it, but maybe I'm wearing out of trying to offer help....I'll do what I can I guess.
Hi Joy. keep going, I love reading your posts they are so interesting, plus
telling me things I didn't know
Iv'e always had a good diet, I cook from scratch, never buy ready meals,
take aways.or ,eat cakes and chocolate Had an active life ,kept horses
for most of it, and still ride today, sadly not my own horses, so ,something
else must have caused this rotten D.D..But the medicals seem to want
to tread the same trails over the cause ,and I suppose that there aren't
enough of us to really bother, and ,they just keep us ticking over.
night Joy sweet dreams
My immune system is NOT alive and kicking .PROOF . I spent two hours at a hospital last Friday, being coughed and sneezed over by thoughtless people, who didn't
cover their mouths ,and so infected everyone near them .THoughtless is the
mildest word accepted on this forum .stronger words are being silently used .
The bottom line is ..this morning Tuesday, I awoke with a sore throat and runny nose.no doubt the ability to breathe through said nose will follow
Don't suppose anyone has any quick fixes for this untreatable
Any treatments from grannies?? or herbal remedies found to help,
As I told you in my original words to you....get on a powerful antioxidant and I'm talking about grape seed extract or pycnogenol.----stay on one or the other....I started in 1995 and never miss a day except when I had hip surgery...had to get off them for 5 days.....back on right after....
Vit C daily is important too....1000mg or more.
Eliminate carbs and sugars....veggies and protein and quality water....
Talking to my neighbor yesterday and she goes off the grape seed ex and ends up sick....yesterday her voice was clear and she sounded good, she's back on grape seed....I said to her don't go off.
Keep Echineaca on hand when something feels like it's starting hit the Echineaca, works for me all the time....
It's up to you to jumpstart your immune system and I'm giving my advice but
it's up to YOU...
If you take bloodthinners then caution as one should not take both.
Do some research on these antioxidants.....I have no more to say for now.....good luck....j
Hello Joy --- I have a bad feeling that you are dumping me.How can I
sort myself out if you are not there to ask.
Is the Pycnogenol the one made from pine tree bark, and in what form do you take grape seed.
Off to see the shoulder surgeon tomorrow .will HAVE to tell you what
he says.
Don't take blood thinners I am taking Vit amin D now ,and probiotics.
What do you think about Aloe Vera ? any good ?
Sounds as though you have your neighbours under control
So, night. hope you sleep well
Good on the Vit D and Probiotics me too...
Pyc is from pine bark, Yes..... Grape Seed Ex is from seeds of the grapes...
Grape Seed Ex is excellent and if it's easy to obtain I'd go that route....I take 200mg Grape Seed Ex two times per day morning and early evening...start with 200mg per day and go from there....if you are heavier weight then one needs a higher dose than 200mg per day.....
Aloe Vera is good, I take about 2 onces daily in my morning MSM drink.
Some days I just get overwhelmed with the emails from the group here...gotta back down.
Grape Seed Ex keeps our blood clean and thin so if you do a surgery gotta get off it a week or so before then back on after surgery.....Hope you don't do a surgery, I'm not a fan of elective surgery.... I elected a hip replacement and it's been a tough road....not a good outcome.
You are obviously very popular ,and have a large following of "Groupiess"
makes life interesting, and keeps your brain and fingers active 
Don't know what time it is with you but it's 10-25pm here , time for some
beauty sleep ,and hope to wake up minus this head cold
Night, glad you are there x