Cutting down

Has anyone experience on cutting down on drinking? I drink too much, but I don't want to give up the drink and the socializing in the Pub completely, I just want to cut down and stop after two glasses of Wine.

I'm in exactly the same situation. There's a tablet called nalmefeme which you take an hour before you have a drink and it's supposed to reduce the feeling of wanting more.

if you search through the discussions on this forum or Google The Sinclair  Method you will find loads of info and advice from members on this forum.

however many gps will not prescribe it or even know about it. I've given up trying to get it as it's like a post code lottery 

some of the others on this forum will help you, particularly Paul Turner who is an alcohol specialist

Thank you :-) Off to the mighty Google now

Hi Melanie! Happy Saturday!

Last January, after the usual excesses of Christmas and New Year, I decided to cut back on my drinking. My intake was two + bottles of wine per night plus a bottle of spirits (rum, vodka) and beer at weekends. I tried cold turkey, didn't work, back drinking even more. Then I heard about selincro/ nalmefene and decided to give it a try. I have been on it since April and can say it works. I have not drunk more than a bottle of wine at one sitting in months, I just don't need more, I can happily switch to water and go to bed. Apart from a few cocktails on holiday last July, I haven't had or needed anything stronger. I still exceed the recommended weekly intake, but I don't care. I swim 1600 metres three times a week and walk 10k on alternate evenings. I feel healthy. I haven't had to stop drinking, my life and liver are fine!

Totally recommend selincro/nalmefene

Hi Melanie. I'm the same -crave white wine every time time I see bottles of the stuff  i.e supermarkets, pubs, other people drinking  it !!!!!!! Drives me mad.It is so difficult to stop.i would rather go to the Pub than a coffee shop.Nalmefene would defiantly help reduce the craving. Ask your G P about it.Or go to Turning Point- they are helpfull. Good Luck Sue

Many thanks for your reply Michael. It does indeed sound very encuraging. 

Hi Susan, you describe exactly my feelings as well. I love to meet with my girls to dine out or visit the pub. But most folks in my circle of friends like to drink as well, and I don't want to give up my social life, but if I could switch to softdrinks after the usual 2 or 3 glasses of wine, it would be great. I see if I can give the Nalmefene a try.

Hi Melanie,

Part of the reason that people are struggling to get this from their GP is because one of the prescribing instructions tell the doctor that their patient needs additional support alongside the medication.  This is to help ensure compliance and a successful outcome.

Some doctors are finding it difficult to get this additional support set in place, due to either the availability or the cost.

If you encounter this problem, I can provide you with this additional support as part of the services that C Three Europe offer.  We are a not for profit organisation that aims to raise awareness of the method, the medication and help coach people through it.

Our support meets the requirements as laid out by the manufacturers of the medication.  You can find more information on the C Three Europe website, including a PDF file pack that you can print out and hand to your doctor if required.

If you think this is something you might want to look further into, discuss it with your doctor.  If your doctor says that he/she can't prescribe it due to this support requirement, at least you can reply that you have it already available if he/she will issue the prescription.

Good luck with whatever method you chose to try smile

 

Hi Melanie. I have tried to cut down. However I do not socially drink. I mean that's a lot of y I drink, and i would love to sit and drink responsibly with my friends. But, I find that even when I set a limit, my inhibitions go out the window. There are some, that don't drink like they "used" to, so for some it's possible, but people create habits, and if your habit is drinking to much, well habits are hard to break. Especially if your drinking . For me it's one or two and it's to late. I've never tried any medications to control this, and I'm not sure I want to. I'm not sure how that stuff works but if you have an alcahol problem and you medicate yourself to control it, are you solving the problem? Just my opinion and i may be way off. It is an uneducated opinion btw

Hi travis, I've looked into this drug and thought it would be the answer. My GP had never heard of it. My key worker at ADS hadn't either! She looked into it and at my next meeting she said she had spoken to her manager who said they wouldn't recommend it. So back to a different Dr at the same surgery who said no way would the surgery prescribe drugs for 'some weird American drug trial'. I tend to agree with your last sentence, a bit like papering over the cracks, but on the other hand many people recommend it.

Dear Melanie,

I did exactly that with the help of a pill.  I took baclofene my doctor prescribed and it worked for me.  It worked like magic suppressing any craving whatsoever.  The unexpected result is that my consumption felt back dramatically and I often prefer to order a soft drink (in social situation it simply never happened to me before).  Very often I regret ordering some low quality wine and do not finish my glass (or it last the whole evening).  It is like getting your brain and reasonable self back without the anxiety and unhapiness associated with the decision of not having a drink.

For the last 24 month my average consumption is 0.7 units and I do not binge any more.

I sincerely hope it works for you as it only works for 2/3 of people having a craving issues and need to be doctor supervised.

All the best.

Hi Sophie.i have never heard of the medicatin - Baclofene-  I am intrigued and desperate to know more about it. Is it similar to Nalmefene ?? In fact anyone  involved in this discussion who knows please please reply.Thankyou in  anticiapation of some replys about - Baclofene.I will try anything to cut down on my consumption of Alcohol. (Do you get it from the G P?)

Hi. I've meantioned before on posts I was on baclofen for a few months in 2012. It was a disaster. You have to build up slowly to a very high dose and take a lot of them. It made me put on a lot of weight and I wasn't keen on side effects. I stupidly went on a binge on them and ended up in hospital for a week( inc life support for 4 days). This is a serious drug. I'm on Naltrexone now if I drink. Been sober over 4 weeks

Tho obviously I understand different drugs suit some and not others, like naltrexone and nalmefene doesn't suit some. I'm just saying be cautious and take with Drs approval

Hi Paper fairy. Thanks for the info. I won't be trying Ba......  How did you get on with Naltrexone-is it similar to Nalmefene?? I feel like a zombie taking that!!!nothing tastes right, can't sleep,I don't do anything except moan, feel agitated ALL the time. Do you think Nalltrexone is different?

Hi. Dr won't prescribe nalmefene. Last October I was in rehab and they put me on naltrexone. They do have side effects first few times you take them like a bad hangover, but not as severe as you've described. I'm not sure if Dr here would have let me have them if the Dr in rehab hadn't put me on them tho. Good luck smile

Susan, the brand name of naltrexone in the UK is Nalorex.  If I remember correctly from our phone conversation, you had some of those that had run past their use-by date so your doctor has prescribed them in the past.

If I may suggest, I think you should sit down with your doctor, take all the medications you have with you and discuss each - what they are for, what they do and how you feel when taking them. 

Naltrexone (Nalorex) and Nalmefene (Selincro) are different medications but they do exactly the same thing in occupying the receptors in the brain so the endorphins aren't able to attach to them and create the buzz - they are just processed differently in the body.

Once you have discussed with your doctor, take his/her advice and settle on one particular method of cutting down on your drinking and STICK with it until either it has worked, or until you can discount it as not for you for some reason. 

None of the available medications out there are magic bullets and don't work instantly - it takes some knowledge and effort on your part, whether that be total commitment to a method until proven it doesn't work for you, or going through the discomfort of some side effects knowing that for the largest majority of people, they will pass within a week or so. 

Then, if you've followed everything correctly and they have worked for you - fantastic!  If not, you can discount it and move onto another option.  There are lots of options out there but everyone is different and it's a case of finding the right one for you.... if you don't try each one in turn, then how will you ever find the right one for you?

You are seeming confused about all these medications that are being discussed and the most accurate way to settle that is to discuss them with a doctor.  Stabbing around in the dark at all these different options without understanding what the medications are supposed to do, and most importantly how to use them correctly, will not be benefitting you in the long term.  Getting a prescription for a medication is one thing, using it correctly is another.

I really don't mean to sound harsh so apologies if I come across that way with these words.  What I want for you is to find the method that suits you, and for you to get your drinking under control and less troublesome to you.

Hi Sophie,

this sounds so great. Exactly like what I want. Still being able to enjoy my wine in the evening but stopping the binges when going to the pub or to parties. 

Is this what you took? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baclofen

Hi susan

No disrespect to Joanna, but getting a 10 minute appointment with a Dr is like asking for gold in some cases. In those vital ten minutes you have to explain what the problem is and what treatments are available to you. For a full description and discussion regarding the different drugs would take longer than ten minutes. So if you're lucky enough to get a prescription, there just isn't the time to have a full in depth conversation on how to take each one, risk of what side effects you might get, contraindications about taking new drugs with existing meds. Consequently patients are handed their prescription on the assumption that they will read and understand the information leaflet for themselves.

ive got a double appointment with my GP this morning, which I had to book nearly six weeks ago. The policy at my surgery is that you're only allowed to discuss one ailment during your appointment. I want a different cream for my psoriasis, as the one I've got is making it worse not better. I also want to discuss changing from trazadone to another tablet for anxiety/depression, and to see if he/she will prescribe Naltrexone, nalfemene. I've read up on NICE guidelines and printed off information which should support my request ( curtesy of Joanna, many thanks) I will only show my dr what I've discovered and printed off and highlighted the salient points, as a last resort.

The drs have a buzzer which goes off after 10 minutes, 20 minutes for me today! I will  let the forum know how I get on

Really hoping the appointment goes well for you smile

Showing that you have done your research and are really interested in improving your own health will (hopefully) make a big difference.

If after all this, your doctor is still unwilling to even discuss medication for your drinking with you, then you have the choice of following the NHS choices procedure for asking them to look into the matter.  On their website page it says ''If you're not happy with the care or treatment you've received or you've been refused treatment for a condition, you have the right to complain, have your complaint investigated, and be given a full and prompt reply.''

But hopefully you will not need to do this!