Do you believe in Dystopic or Totalitarian future regimes?

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Okay, I may have a different approach to religion than most and why I kept my own views suppressed to an extent, but what are peoples view on this subject? Perhaps, many of you have never even thought about what the current time and future holds, but I find it very interesting.

If we go back to George Orwell in 1984 and his idea of a Dystopic society which many people attracted to this subject are now convinced exists. Many movies in the past 30 years, are really attracting people to these kind of movies.

Have you ever thought about what we are heading for, taking in to consideration not just global changes in weather, but the wars, or perhaps even when will this ever end? Do you believe in the media informing us about everything that is going on, or are they portraying only one side, so you do not see the real truth? Does dictatorship come in to mind?

Perhaps you already have realized that we are all living in a Dystopic society, which from my perspective we already are, and it is not far from making a world where all people will believe in a ‘dystopia’ where we have society predominantly controlled by fear and control (typical examples would be current modern politics, press freedom, cover-ups on huge scales and corruption, is just a few to start with).

There is the problem where a mutated mirror image of a ‘utopian’ society which would bring the basis for that vital twist that would make a caring machine a killer one, a protective regime an oppressive one and an eternal peace an eternal war.

What are your thoughts on dystopia? Do you believe it has already happened, or about to? I would be interested in your views. It is a subject that is often overlooked or confused, with other matters.

Before replying to this message, think about everything you use and do during a day, you'll be surprised by just how much of "dystopia" you are already using, day in, and day out.

Regards,

Les.

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Hey Les!

GOod topic but it's almost  3 in the morning here. I'll  be back to answer hopefully many of your questions.! 

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There, that's fighting talk to come from frustrated. Me? What do we see in history since the first farmer deliberately took from his food and carefully pushed it into the ground and watched until harvest. The politico/military ' protected the farmer's crop (the farmer's sdafety was incidental) and gobbled the greater part of the harvest. The pattern can be seen throughout history. But look at democracy, you protest. Look at ancient Athens I reply. those who had the votes were a repressive class and took the best of everything. Mankind learned the lesson well. It is the number one proselytising political system in the world. Both the EU and the USA are excellent examples of a lesson well  learned and applied.  I think we are of one mind, Les. Surprised?

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If this really was dystopia then we would not be here with the availability of this site and forum. It is so easy to think and see all the negatives while ignoring the positives.

I cannot imagine that there will ever be utopia yet the human spirit hopes for it and keeps driving us forward. There are many ways of categorizing us humans and none of them is perfect but in this case I suggest we could be looking at the old well known mental approach - glass half full or half empty.

So each individual falls into one or other of those two camps. For all those who see the glass as half full then their lives are improved; being positive helps us to manage every part of our lives. Those who fall into the glass half empty are not doing themselves any favours. Always seeing the negatives is in itself depressing and may lead to serious problems.

The OP presents a picture from someone with a glass half empty. The assertions are wildly out of line and unhelpful to anyone easily lead down the path of negativity.

Get a life.

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Hi Jaguar, 

I am sorry to point out that the 'half glass' is a slick buiness training con. Think, if the landlord is filling my glass as it reaches the half way point it is half full. If he stops pouring and asks for the full price it is half empty. Wether I am optimistic or not is beside the point.

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Hi Jaguar,

"Get a life!" that is a bit harsh, considering what I have been through over the years. The picture I may present may seem of a negative look, but I try to "hide" negativity with a positive one - I do not see or believe in such 'archaic' things because information is travelling far too fast these days.

Regards,

Les.

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Hi Les,

Please would you expand the last sentense. I have not got my mind round it.

George

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Hi George,

I can see what you mean by democracy and protesting, going back to Athens. Mankind may have learnt his lesson well. Let’s look at this from a different perspective, we all know that there are in excess of 4000 known religions, yet they all believe in ‘one true god’ in the case of polytheism.

Now look back, every religion is replaced at some point in time. The Greek gods whom never showed up, so the belief died out. Then the Romans, again the gods never showed up. We are now under Christianity and Islam, as well as Judaism, except none of these will be replaced by a millennium religion, but rather by logic, reason and knowledge, these things are what religions try to keep suppressed.

Hopefully, I have explained myself correctly.

Regards,

Les.

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Now boys simma down wink  lol

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Actually, frustrated I am creating an abstract drawing on my computer, the stupid adverts on this site keep causing my flash to stop responding! LOL

Story of my life "nothing responds"....lol

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Hi Les

That is great. It is by exploring nuances of meaning and identifying where differences lie that we get a living discussion. You may be right; I may be right; we might both be wrong. Anyway on with the discussion.

That is superb. You see the Enlightenment continuing to the point it becomes the dominant philosophy replacing the three main religions in the West and Middle East. I see a European political system emerging as a quasi democratic system under which the present EU difficulties will grow into chaos. Out of that chaos a dictator will arise and restore order to the relief of the population. That dictator will harness the new World Religion in support of his dictatorship and rapidly dominate all the remaining political systems in the world.The World Religion having served the dictator's purpose in dominating the world will set himself up as the god of the World Religion and require all men to worship him on pain of death. Essentially he will be the new Augustus Caesar, the first Roman Caesar to be deified while still living. Mankind I believe has an insatiable appetite for religion and mystery and a poor and fickle appetite for logic and reason. They also delight in a dictator who gives them security with food and entertainment, as did the Caesars of  Ancient Rome.

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I think you'll find that this was around long before it was hijacked by any business seminar. There are other versions. An attitude to life in general may be positive or negative as well as a mix of both at times but overall people tend to fall into one or other category.

A good example of this can be found in many hospital wards where patients have undergone operations, especially life threatening ones. The recovery rate is improved when a patient has a positive outlook a belief in the success of surgery, and follows that by doing all possible to help the body recover as recommended by medical staff.  Those who think the worst and are feeble in attitude to recovery tend to take longer and not to regain their former self.

This has nothing to do with drink whether in a pub or anywhere else.

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Sorry for the  typo above : for instiable please read insatiable

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Your claim that we are all living in a Dystopic society does not allow for other than a belief by you that is not followed by the rest of us. Whatever you think it is not normal to assume that everyone else thinks the same. Please read again the first sentence in my original reply.

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I agree as to the importance of attitude. I continue to disagree as to

the business training speak that a person's description of a vessel part filled with liquid and part with air has any bearing on their recovery time.

Drink happily has not really been part of the discussion. So we are now converging quite well.

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Hi Jaguar,

Your example, is not quite correct - but this is from my own experience, no one elses.

On a Tuesday afternoon, I was rushed into hospital with alot of pain, in the ambulance which was on a 'code blue'. They had already given the maximum amount of morphine, but it made no difference to the pain I was in, they done a few checks and decided to take me down to surgery, they removed about 50cm of my instestine which was gangrene. I come around a few hours later but in a lot of pain where it was joined back up.

A few days went by, but instead of becoming better I became worse, throwing up bile - they rushed me back down to surgery, I could not even sign the consent form: My wife was contacted and told not to visit due tio sudden surgery that was required. They open me back up and found part of the gangrene had spread to other areas, all of which was removed. I spent 3 weeks in hospital trying desperately to get out, by doing everything they asked eventhough I was in pain, from the operation. The full recovery on that operation took over 10 months,

I lost a lot of weight because of nil by moiuth was nearly 2 weeks.

That is one operation I will never forget, after being told I nearly died twice.... feeble in attitude was far from my thoughts. I beat cancer previously, and still in remission now.

Regards,

Les.

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So why still bother with business training speak which is but one aspect of usage whereas life is so very much more varied?  There is nothing in the business world that is of more human concern than in life itself. In fact, business, through advertising and marketing, promotes itself in so many ways and in current practice attitude is much less important than performance to those involved.

So your preoccupation with any business aspect is taking a narrow view.

As it is not good practice to direct attention to a specific online reference here then try looking at the Wiki entry. I have used it in the philosophical sense; it is not the only expression but one that is generally recognised and understood. To imagine that there is any literal interpretation is to miss the point. 

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OK. I will withdraw from this field leaving you in posession of it. Taking a narrow view to hit a point was much too ambitious. Still, I am not sure you enjoyed the to and fro. If so, please forgive me.

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Hi Jaguar,

When I mentioned 'dystopic society', there are numerous socities not just a single one, I can see that could be confusing, if that is what you are referring to? I was trying to find what post you mentioned.

Regards,

Les.

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Hi George,

I am assuming you are referring to this statement I made " I do not see or believe in such 'archaic' things because information is travelling far too fast these days."??

I am actually referring to Logic, Reason and Knowledge which are the 3 things that religions try to surpress, but because information is transfered these days it is making these become more impossible to hide. Seeking a scientific stance rather tham a religion.

Regards,

Les.