Does mental health need to be physically treated?

Mental health
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As somebody who has lived in Australia and has suffered with I.T.O (involentary treatment order) because of mental deterioration after trying to kill myself after realizing my life was going down hill due to phsical conditions I'm now coming to realization with any sort of negetive impusles such as shizoprenia, bipolar, manic disorders or any other that are linked to cases of brain deterioration need to be treated?

I mean in most cases people will be sent in with some sort of crystal meth problem or herion problem because of an anbusive family member out a unhealthy upbringing and are given drugs which give side effects that often make somebody worse rather than better, inhibiting to go back to doing illicit drugs. If the case is simply somebody who has a disorder without any drugs the result is the same, most people will switch on and off to a different medication through a 5 month cycle realizing that the pill they had taken is not working for them and they want to try something new. This to me seems to be experimental method and a cash crab by coperatations to make. 

I was dignosised with Paranoid Schizophrenia, I didn't hear/see things that were not there I simply had a blood pressure problem as well as heart rate problem that turned into a real physical issue later on (going to sue as well but that's a conversation for a different time). But the important thing is now I know what anti-phycotics/antidepressants/mood stablizers are like and the side effects that come with them and I have to say they are completely experimental. I'd feel a lack of any sort of pleasure on any sort of anti-phycotic, high anxiety on any sort of antidepressant and also high ego death on mood stablizers. Is that really worth living through?

I mean the way I see it if you have a high anixety your best bet is to control it when it's out of control slow exposer therapy, talking it out or you could live in an eviroment which a high anxiety profile is needed in order to survive. You could say maybe somebody with bipolar over a period of time can learn when they are going manic and decrease the serverity of it but again alternatively you could try use it to your advantage and become a comedian/actor/entertainer. Now this also delves into the case of risk/danger somebody can expose or put themselves in by having a mental illness, it's true it's very easy but aslo I want you to consider the fact a lot of the medication they give out if you compare the side effect to something as simple as pain killer it becomes very apparently these drugs have a wide range of side effects, some lethal, infact ritillan itself has a 1% chance of a random encounter of death as a side effect, it's low but it's still there. I dare you try and find that on a pack of antibotics, pain killers or nose spray. But people always bring up the card that somebody is technically insane and not bound to reality and may cause other people harm? Well I say to those people think about the about the kids who get bullied everyday or some sort of life changing event that is catastrophic causing them to do 'bad things'. They're not treated the same way as anybody else, it's just prision for them but there mental sanity isn't even in reality because of how they were raised.

As for shizoprenia I am at a loss for words what to do there, I draw nothing but blanks and I was misdiagnosed with it and meet people with it but honestly if you're seeing this that are on the walls or are bombarded with realistic audio sounding voices/sounds I have no solution but your comments are welcome.

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Hello Matthew

First I will say, here in the UK you are in partnrship with our GP when it comes to Health Issues, Mental Health is one of those conditons and w should always be aware of the decisions made by GP and Specialist advisors.

When it comes to treatment and medication there is always the possibility that a contraindication could have a negative effect to our health and we need to accept that all treatments treated by drugs have these problems and we make a calculated risk that either the condition will get better, worse or not better.

Most medications in fact will possibly need to be changed over a given time and new types of drug may need to be tried. We need to accept this curved ball as well.

In my case I suffer Chronic Pain and associated Reactive depression that I have suffered on and of since 1970s, My body has over time suffered many contraindications, some concerning, nasty and we need to accept we are all different when it comes to these mental health coshes. We have to look at risk as a viable concern, this is part of the problem as we need to get better.

Life is full of risks we need to accept that as far as Mental Health is concerned . 

I take Opiate type medications, including AD medications, one of the latter acts as a pain killer in fact as it numbs down nerve damage in my nerves and their shieves. I take these drugs to give me some positive life choices, this however has caused problems with my short term memory, I will never get back to normal now and this problem will still need strong mdications to give me more life choices.

Sometimes drugs we take can cause severe contraindications, including death, we take medications on advisement and need to accept those risks. Life is not all bright and warm, sometimes our conditions can have sinister outcomes. 

Would you accept those risks to have some quality of life, a control of your condition.

We have to make informed choices and that is why w turn back to the Partnership you have with Specialist and GP.

BOB 

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Hi Matthew, it must have been totally awful being sectioned and diagnosed with something you havent got.  I can only imagine how horrible it must be. I was in a psychiatric unit for a short time here in the UK, and looking back on it, I can reflect and work out that my symptoms here very physical - massive adrenalin rushes, leading to being in a state of complete panic - and this was practically all my waking hours, apart from the few hours sleep a night I managed to get.

I had recently had so thyroid problems and been put on medication which seemed to be the thing which initiated the huge adrenalin rushes, so I came off the medication, but I suppose that my hormones took a while to re-balance themselves. I was also going through other significant hormonal changes, which I later found out do often cause these states of panic. I didnt know that at the time, and if I had, would probably not have been quite as concerned that I was just going mad!

None of the doctors or psychiatrists I was consulted by at the time asked me about the background of all this or made any connection between my physical and mental state - which I think is pretty hopeless of them!  I'm not a doctor, but it didnt take me more than a bit of research to make the connection.

I did think for a while that I might be bi-polar, but now I realise that is not the case. Being bi-polar is something people have for life, and in their cases, medication usually does help. I have seen enough interviews with people who have it, and read their accounts to know that they are usually quite grateful for the medication despite some of the side effects. 

People can put on quite a bit of weight with the medications and feel quite flat as you say, but I think alot of them prefer this to the terrible mania and crushing depression they otherwise go through. I have actually met a couple of people on the medication who were very thin, and they found this quite amusing and said their doctors think they are very interesting case studies!

I am currently taking anti-depressants - fluoxetine, which has been helpful. I have been getting quite upset a few times recently, but I realise that its about things which would test the patience of anyone 'normal', and so is not the response of someone depressive. And when things pick up again, I feel better - so personally I am grateful for the anti-depressants. Being so depressed you cant function really is a total waste of life, and I wouldnt wish it on anyone.  I also have OCD, and I do find that the anti-depressants help to suppress that quite a bit.

I was once prescribed an anti-psychotic medication, which did make me feel like a zombie, and I did start to put on weight. I hated it, and came off it after a few weeks. Luckily I wasnt under any pressure to carry on taking it.

So, yes, some of these psychiatric medicines are over the top, but sometimes they can really help. I think alot of psychiatrists would agree that this whole branch of medicine is still very much in its infancy, and maybe people will look back at these treatments in a couple of hundred years time, and laugh at how useless and naiive they were!

 

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Sorry it took me a while to reply, my head wasn't in the right mental state. But I'm able to redirect your answer back to my question. I feel like this in an inappropriate answer or maybe the title of my question wasn't correct. 

I was forced apon these medications and I didn't want them, I mean they were injected. I had no choice or regard to to take them, my question back to you is if somebody is not willing to accept treatment for a mental illness should it be forced on them phsycially with an I.T.O (Involentary treatment order) if...

1: They're not a treat to society.

2: Feel treatment is not working but are forced on more treatments despite the fact that the drugs themselves cause ambition to be thinking properly?

3: Complain side effect but are told it's for the sake of their mental heath.

The the second and third reason are highly important because if quality of life isn't reached they can be sitting there as as a rotten vegetable told they're cured of their illness. Under those princibles do you believe people should have mental health medication forced into their bodies despite the fact that somebody with stage 4 cancer can decided not to get treatment deciding on how bad the case is?

It's their choice to be miserable, depressed, upset and unstable if they choose so. If they're threat to society and others than so be it, lock them up. But I was a case when I was threat to nobody other than myself because I felt lost and lonely. Life is about understanding other peoples feelings, going through all positive and negetive feelings. If we run away from the bad one day it will truly capture us one day and consume us.

As for me, I'd rather face my depression and understand I don't like my life because of the pain, I don't like being alone and I can understand these things and understand what I need in order to try and gain some happiness, things sometimes don't go right but it's a learning process. One day it may overwhelm me and I may lose that fight but that is my choice. Personally for me it's down to the doctors to see if they can stop the pain and issues I'm feeling in my body, lack of mobility too. I feel the same way with anybody who suffers with mental health and doesn't want forced treatement.

I'll be happy to hear your reponse.