Early menopause and vaginal atrophy after breast cancer- can anyone help?

My Omega 7 also comes from a herbalist, who has made me up medicine for my bladder too, because I have had so many infections when on the Letrozole.  Now I can't seem to differentiate between my uncomfortable bladder or uncomfortable anything else!!! 

On Tuesday I see the Urologist, goodness knows what he will think of all my concoctions!  My GP has told me many times that he thinks the answer is the Oestrogen cream, but it worries me that the Oncologist always says no.

So far the Balance Activ is helping more than most.

Pat

Hi Patricia Your post sounds just like me ..don't know if it's the bladder or the atrophy that's causing the problem half of the time . Can you tell me more about the Balance Activ and what it is please . are you in the UK

Hi Amelia

I am back again, this is starting to become a saga for me to try and get my Orth whatsit pessaries (Estriol) for me to use and thanks to you lovely ladies out there who are going thru the same problems as me and we all read each others comments and support each other, only to find that the piggin thing is discontinued. (so why do the Consultants who we put our lives in their hands not know this and prescribe it) Anyway, rant over, after talking with my pharmacy who were brillant i had to talk to my GP or shall i say receptionist, she then asked why didnt i try another chemist ( do you ever feel that sometimes you want to say what part of the conversation did you miss) i just said they have tried and its a discontinued product and i would need more than a months supply, also because of my history of breast cancer i need a new prescription something that my GP needs to do, so she is emailing him so now waiting for a phone call that i will never get. What is it with these doctors receptionist. My point is that after a year of waiting for a prescription due to letters going missing then finally getting one, to only find that i get one and the product is discontinued grrrrr, i just feel that its one step forward and 3 steps back, ah well just keep plodding on with the lube and dilators.... and relax!!!!

Balance Activ comes in pessaries and also gel.  The gel is in individual applicators so only 1use each.  The omega 7 capsules are from a herbalist. I feel like i've spent a fortune on  different products.  Tomorrow i see the Urologist.  Not sure how that will go.  Balance Activ have their own website.

I am in the uk.  Did you have breast cancer? I had a mastectomy 6 years ago.  

Will let you know how tomorrow goes.

Pat

 

Hi Pat no I haven't had breast cancer . I have been using the gynest cream but it doesn't seem to help much . So I was looking for an alternative to try . I hope all goes well with the uroligist . I saw one a couple of years ago and they said I had Painful Bladder Syndrome ( interstitial cystitis ) . Sadly there's no cure for it only diet . What with the pain from that and the atrophy too , it drives me nuts ! I shall go and have a look at the website for Balance Activ . Thankyou for your help

Susan

You are right! Drives me nuts describes it all perfectly.  She said I too have the interstitial cystitis.  As she thinks that it is that,  she has stopped my preventative 1 a day anti biotic.  She has put me down for a cystoscopy (again) just to make sure nothing going on.  Lovely really look foward to that again. I don't know if it was just coincidence but the next mornign got up with what I know was an infection.  Have emergency antibiotics can't be bothered to go through all the rigmarole at the Docs.  Yesterday it was so horrible I could not concentrate on anyhting properly.  Bit better today. 

As my file says "no oestrogen" she says I could have it, if I was prepared to sign a form with GP to say I wanted it.  Bit scarey not sure what to do.

Hey ho!

Pat

So good to know someone who is banging their head against a brick wall like I am ....you feel like your making it all up when they say there's nothing wrong with your bladder . I've had two cystocopies ( all clear ) . Had my bladder stretched ..they said I had a small bladder , tried to explain to them well you can't hold it when you're in so much pain !! Didn't work anyway still has bad as before . I now have bought my own UTI testing strips , more money but at least it's better than running to the doctors every five minutes . I got them from the sweet cures site . There is only a very small amount of eostrogen in the gynest cream and it's just for down there so doesn;t absorb all way through your body . But I wouldn't like to advise you on that . Onwards and upwards as they say . You have to laugh even though on bad days I just want to cry

Susan

Hi emelia

would you be able to try estriol vaginal cream ( ovestin) 

doesnt effect uterine wall maybe have breast health benefits and bone protection.

i too have dryness cant take HRT ... But this is a gentle oestrogen ... We have three female estrogen's and this is the gentle one ..

also helps libido .... 0.1% 1mg Estriol vaginal cream or Ovules ( Ovestin) 

may be helpful

Jay xox

Hi amelia 

heres more info ... 

more info continued ...  Estriol ( Ovestin) ( Ovestinon) vaginal Cream internal and external use 0.1% 1mg ....

Estriol Ovulo 0.5mg vaginal ovules x 20 ( Ovestin) 

Estriol – The Power of Weak

Estriol is the third form of estrogen.  It is called weak estrogen by the medical profession because it only has 1/25th the proliferative effect on female tissues.  At the same time it is called weak, its usefulness is summarily dismissed by American doctors as some unknown and unproven substance – a testament to a profession’s lack of comprehension for anything that hasn’t been spoon fed to them by the pharmaceutical industry.

Your ovaries (assuming you still have them) produce 2 mgs of estriol per day, far more than any other form of estrogen.  Estriol levels do not rise and fall with your menstrual cycle19, and their production is not naturally curtailed at the time of menopause. 

Unlike estradiol, higher blood levels of estriol are generally protective against breast cancer.  One large trial20 showed that estriol did not increase the risk for breast cancer, whereas estradiol did.

In women age 85 and older who have no heart disease, higher circulating levels of estriol21 are present and associated with healthy blood flow and good circulation.  An animal study confirms that estriol increases the friendly form of nitric oxide22, an important relaxation factor for healthy circulation that helped prevent the formation of atherosclerosis in this study.

A study of women over 80 taking 2 mg of estriol per day found that it increased their bone density23.

Estradiol drugs are known to increase total cholesterol.  A 2-year study of women entering menopause24 found that estriol prevented the estradiol-induced rise in cholesterol.  Whereas triglyceride levels also increased in the estradiol drug group, estriol again prevented this result – even lowering triglycerides.  Since an elevation in triglycerides is a key sign of insulin resistance, leptin resistance, cancer risk, and heart disease – one can only say that a natural substance that directly guards against this (estriol) is a powerful health-promoting compound.

Estriol is sometimes referred to as the pregnancy estrogen, as its production rises from 2 mgs per day to 8 mgs per day during pregnancy.  It is believed that this elevation in estriol is highly protective to the evolving fetus, especially to the fetus’s nervous system25.  It is also believed that the rise in estriol helps stabilize the mother’s immune response26 to the fetus, dampening the possibility of the mother’s own immune system trying to reject the fetus as foreign.  It has been shown that a lack of estriol is associated with low birth weight babies27.  Low estriol is also a factor associated with postpartum depression28.

Unlike the obvious issue of excess estradiol being linked to serious autoimmune problems, estriol is linked to immune stability.

Indeed, the observation of the regression of autoimmune multiple sclerosis during pregnancy has led to some fascinating studies.  Non-pregnant women with MS29 have been given 8 mgs of estriol per day (the pregnancy level) and their MS has gone into regression.  When the estriol is stopped it comes back, and when it is started again it goes away (including the removal of brain lesions).  Phase II clinical trials30 are currently under way.  One of the fascinating aspects of these initial studies showed that estriol could powerfully modulate TNFa31, a significant inflammatory signal that is overactive in many autoimmune problems.  A separate cell study shows that estriol3216 is far better than estradiol at protecting brain cells from toxic exposure.

Estriol has proven effective as a treatment for vaginal dryness and atrophy33, as well as urinary tract infections.  It has been shown to help relieve hot flashes34, acting as a natural hormone balancer.  It helps many women with mood.  If you try some, make sure you can tell it is doing something useful.

The body of evidence shows that estriol is safe and effective, a form of estrogen that is produced throughout one’s life.  It acts as an antioxidant and anti-inflammatory, and is particularly effective at protecting the female system and nervous system.

As with any bioidentical hormone replacement, women should always ensure they are working on an overall health improvement program and it is moving in the right direction.  Never rely on any one hormone as a “magic bullet.”  And always keep it to a level that is within what your body would naturally produce.

Estriol is readily available in OTC creams and through a compounding pharmacist. 

Thank you for all that info. Think I am going to GP and sign a nondisclaimer and ask for it.  It has driven me up the wall this last week.  Sometimes don't want to sit down.  Spoils evsrything.

Hi Patricia..

bless you hun...

failing that ... Theres also natural estriol cream on biovea uk web..

check with doc too though..

good luck .. I know how you fell down there, i have researched this estradiol, and seems the weaker safer option...

i too am off to get some tomorrow ... Enough is enough .... 

my gyno mentioned it ... But i said no at the time...  

I also have some pre meno duo ovules on the way ... They are natural, very good reviews... From stress no more uk web...

dont buy off amazon they were £16 a box

but from stress no more uk i got 3 boxes for £20 and free delivery 

premeno duo are for vag dryness and have duo effect ie: also for itch from dryness and the thrushy feel but its not thrush feeling ..

Jay xx

Hi Jay,

thanks for this information. Really interesting!

At present i'm using Gynest cream twice weekly and the active ingredient is Estiol 0.01 percent. It's very good. Everything is back in balance. And i feel really well on it.

I'm going for a scan this week to see if the lining of my womb is ok- not getting too thick. and then i have annual mammogrammes in September.

Hopefully all will be well.

Amelia xxx

hi amelia 

thats great ... gynest sounds much the same as estriol ovestin ..

i am off to get a tube later 😀  estriol is the much better, kinder, if the three oestrogens our bodies have ... 

it says its doesnt effect uterine wall and protects breast so you should be fine 

take care ... 

jayxx 

Hi Jay,just written that down,look into that tomorrow,

 I'm sure I remember dr gave me cream,way back,got a feeling that was Ovestin,rang a bell.Boy don't I wish one would fit all females,nothing but hassle. I've been on those Vits B s for 3 days,so far so good with the B6 prob had few years back.Hope anxiety drops nowxxx Mar

Hi marlene

i just been into town to fetch mine...  9.99€ it was..

got my natecal ( calcium and vit D) while I was there..

i feel quite dandy today, but its the flushes... i came in ( it is hot though) checked ipad and sweat running off me on the screen.. ( oh delightful) my head and back of neck is sopping... so off for yet another bath... 

cant go on like this its obscene hahahahaha

i only weigh 125lb so dont know why this is happening so intensely ...

flush flush flush flush......  if this is full meno then no thank you..

just bought 4 huge bottles of water as all this glowing needs water back in water ...

my dad always says  ' dont say sweating' 

ladies Glow, Men perspire and horses sweat 😃😃😃😃

hope your okay ... hope the B's perk you up Marlene .. they did me for sure 

back soon when i had another bath 🛀

Jay xx

 

One thing I've been lucky with 1st and 2nd time ,but 2 cousins get it bad.

   Hope my girl takes after me,hey you've got a pool ,you could spend day in there.

  Your ole dad,shows his age,proper gent ,bless himTell Dottie she glows ,she will like that,that's how the Victorians described it,they use to carry smelling salts ,that was for light headed ness. My mum would be your dad's age,hers was a giddy turn .Can recall her going to the back door to get air. Odd things you remember,Dottie quiet today?  

  Ever find screw to those glasses ?xx

Hi Marlene

well i unfortunately didnt take after my mums peri... she was 2 years start to finish aged 42 - 44 ... done... natural and i remember her having an underactive thyroid, no energy and drinking sanatogen wine ... ( shes no drinker ) this was suppose to up her iron...

weird what you remember .. she is 83 now, when i speak to her she says, are you still doing the menopause mallarky ' good lord' hahahaha

i did the iodine patch test last night, blimey mine vanished .... so i am restarting the iodine of kelp again when it arrives..

no... didnt find screw to specs   .... they were my old pair which i favour, so its made me wear the new ones now, which i should anyway.. I can take a screw out a really old pair and repair them...  they are vary focal ... imwear in house, i chop and change between contacts and glasses ..

will be in pool tomorrow .... had things to do today so gave it a miss..

enjoy your evening marlene 

jay jay xx

 

Sanatogen my old mum got through tons of it,my sister and me only mentioned her and Sanatogen just yesterday,there was another thing she took ,but we couldn't remember for life of us what it was,still bugging me today ,will text sister see if she remembered it over night.

   Your mum was lucky,your iffy meno gene from your dad's side.

   Malarkey haven't heard that said for a while.think again you have to go through it to understanding it,or even try,distant memory to your mum.

  My mums was brought on by the death of my 4 month old brother from whooping cough in 1951.Called it shock meno for her,sad she had it really bad ,again what you remember.lifes a bitch that for sure .xxx

hi Marlene

oh thats sad about your little brother ... big hugs..

 

dont know much about my Dads female family side.. hes one of three boys, there was a girl, was a sister but she died in child birth .... 

oh all sadness ay..

His Mother My grandma died when i was just 7 years old, which i saw and it was a memory that i still see vividly...

my Dad has had PMT of a male type all his life 😀

oh ... so you discussed sanatogen only yesterday.. spooky

my mum was told to drink a Maccason is it... she didnt like it .. yak 

jay xx

Hi marlene 

i spelt it wrong ..

its was Mackeson my mum was told to drink back in the day..

Mackeson "looks good, tastes good and, by golly, it does you good.

remember the advert 😀😃😃😃

Jay xx