Exercise regime for PMR recovery

Hi,

Having been put back on track by a new doctor (thank heavens for her!). I am on 15mg Pred and I have been signed off work for 3 weeks to give the steroid chance to work on my muscles. I have been forced to rest as I had a chest infection (every cloud etc.). So I have rested for a week and done very, very little.

I am in danger of becoming a couch potato as I am terrified of overdoing it too quickly and going downhill.

I had a feeling that someone gave a link to a paper or a site for the regime for PMR recovery. However I have just sent myself cross-eyed scrolling through all the discussions to find it. It was not all in vain as I picked up some valuable info/tips/laughs along the way. I am still giggling at Mrs K and her SAGA (Sex And Games for the Aged).

If anyone has any advice for me or can give me some links I would be very grateful.

Thanks

Elaine

I have read every post on this PMR forum (I read all there were before I joined and have read every one since) and I don't remember anything that I would have called a "regimen" - if I had I would have registered it because one of the things you have to do is be careful.

Contributors have said they are still able to run or cycle miles a week, others say they work out in the gym - and this time last year I barely managed the 200 yds into the village using crutches! Strangely, most people who are able to continue exercise are male - and it is acknowledged that men and women experience PMR very differently.

When you have PMR whatever it is that causes it seems to prevent the muscles responding normally to the demands of exercise - it seems to result in muscles tiring very quickly when asked to do sustained or repetitive actions. I couldn't hold a phone to my ear, for example, without my biceps developing cramp. Suddenly I couldn't use the cross trainer at the gym without developing claudication in my thighs after about 2 minutes instead of being able to manage a good 10-15 mins. I had no power in my legs to do steps, it seemed awfully hard work and left me exhausted. I still skied - but at the beginning of the season I could do only a couple of short runs - and would still have sore muscles the next day. I live at the bottom of our mountain so I went every few days and by the end of the season I could ski for a couple of hours no bother - but longer runs were still difficult without a rest. The break on the lift between short runs was enough.

Anyway - you aren't going to be going skiing so I'll shut up about that - but physiotherapists who know about PMR all warn about trying to do too much because of the extended recovery period and risk of leaving muscles damaged. The DVD from the northeast of England PMR and GCA support group (developed by MrsK amongst others) has a bit on it by a physio if I remember rightly. What is important is to keep the muscles doing something to avoid muscle wasting due to pred - it sometimes happens but not always.

Walking is felt to be as good as anything else for that purpose for the legs - and it also protects against osteoporosis. Half an hour a day is recommended, "briskly" officially but that is relative! My brisk in the early stages of PMR was definitely not my normal "brisk"! The best way to go about it is to choose a short walk close to home - do it and see how you feel after it. Then increase it by a few mins each time - but beware: I have found myself at the top of a ski run thinking "I feel really good, I'll do one more and go home" only to feel as if I've hit a brick wall halfway down and had to crawl to the nearest seat. MrsO on here had a similar experience on a walk near her home - and had to sit on a neighbour's wall to summon up the energy to get home! Start with a flat walk that is easy to abort and get home - not a circular walk round a lake! I don't know about you - but I found uneven ground next to impossible, it is still difficult and is certainly far more tiring. Also, doing 3 lots of 10 mins achieves exactly the same as one session of 30 mins - that applies to any form of exercise - and means you won't get stranded somewhere.

I did aqua aerobics at the level I could manage - I didn't feel I had to compete with the others (who were mainly over 50 too) but the pool had to be warm. Another lady with CFS (chronic fatigue syndrome) was in the class and often left half way through but also said that as time went on she realised she could do more and more. It covered everything - we used woggles/noodles and foam dumbbells to do resistance training of arms and shoulders. Our local B*********** was excellent at the time - off-peak membership for about £30 a month and an aqua class every day. I did it pre-pred and it kept me mobile - once I had done it I was no longer anywhere like as stiff. I also managed Pilates with adaptations and Iyengar yoga - but you must have a good instructor.

A couple of 500ml water bottles with water in (not necessarily full to start with) are a good and cheap way of making adjustable weight dumbbells for out of the water and do a few bicep curls, rest and repeat. Whatever you do in the gym or out of it NEVER do long series of repeats, never do repeats to exhaustion or to pain (no one should do exercise until it hurts, no pain no gain is rubbish and no good instructor should say it). One lady got herself one of the pedal sets - like cycle pedals - and used that at home sitting in a chair watching TV and found it helped.

Now you are on an effective dose of pred it is all too easy to think you are now well - you aren't I'm afraid, it doesn't work like that! Do everything in small doses - whether it is housework or exercise, even eating a biscuit crumb by crumb will demolish it eventually! Keep your protein intake up and carbs down - and that will help avoid muscle damage too, keeping the supply of protein building blocks up has been shown to help and avoiding carbs does help avoid the midriff bulge that pred is so prone to causing.

Hope some of this helps - the trick though is to make sure you go out regularly because it is all too easy to sit at home and mope but a walk in the fresh air makes a lot of difference to how you feel. Not that the UK weather recently has really been particularly encouraging has it ;-)

Thank you Eileen! Invaluable advice as usual. I am indebted to you.

I don't know what I thought I had seen on it. rolleyes

I will take it slowly. I have only been sitting about indoors because of my chest infection which is still with me. I have to negotiate stairs at home so I do get a bit of exercise.

I have a mound of ironing. I have decided this can wait and when OH has gone to work on Monday I will put the ironing board and do half an hour with a rest and then maybe another half an hour.

I will also do a short walk after breakfast weather permitting, if not I will get my Yoga video out and do some easy stretches.

I would love to do aqua aerobics, but I am frightened of water LOL! I may look into it.

I have found your diet advice and also the advice from fiftiesgirl invaluable.

I will go back on the Dukan Diet, which is mainly protein. Just as long as I don't have to give up my wine of an evening wink

I am wondering if 15mg is good enough. Although my legs aren't aching so much they are not 100% by any means and they do feel wobbly. Maybe I should be patient. I only started back on the 15mg on Wednesday rolleyes

Thank you! smile

Patience, patience! The improvement should be about 70% within a few days - but some people NEVER become totally pain-free and some things can take a few months to go away altogether. My legs felt wobbly for months I'm afraid - and I had thigh claudication (you did didn't you?) The pred doesn't CURE anything - it relieves the symptoms and the underlying autoimmune disorder may also make you feel a bit wobbly.

15mg is recommended as the starting dose because it works for the vast majority of patients - even 12.5mg has been shown to work as well for 75% of patients within a month. The lower the starting dose, the lower to total dose of pred you will accumulate and that is important in avoiding side effects long term.

And if you have a chest infection - that can make you feel wobbly too!

PS - have you got a high stool? Perching on one whilst ironing (or anything else you'd normally stand up to do) helps a lot - I can't iron sitting down but a tall stool that I can rest my bum on is fine.

When you are feeling better - walk. I walk 2 miles a day if weather is not too cold or too hot. Makes a big difference. Muscles feel better.

Do you mean the University of Bristol research paper? I am following that with the help of My docs.

The regime is:

15mg for six weeks

12.5 for six weeks

10mg for a year

then reduce by 1mg per month or 1/2mg if you want to go slower

I realise now this has been coming on since last October-ish. That was when I first got wobbly legs before the big aches began in Jan. I just thought I was worrying/nervous about a situation at work.

Hi Jennissw, thanks for your reply. Unfortunately that is not what I was thinking of. I specifically meant exercise to start to get fit again.

I thought I had seen something but I now doubt my brain......

Jennis - not sure which post you are referring to but, yes, I refer frequently to the Bristol paper and there is a link in the top thread on this forum.

The 12.5mg figure I referred to a few posts ago on this page was obtained in a study by an Italian group a few years ago. In the past the starting dose for PMR was often 30mg, sometimes even more, and it has been found that that is OTT and often increases problems reducing. The vast majority will respond within a few days to 15mg whereas the lag is often a few weeks with 12.5mg. And given the pain and discomfort patients are much happier with a quick result - the dramatic response to 15mg has been regarded by many doctors as almost a confirmation of the PMR diagnosis for some years. On the other hand - some aren't interested even when they see the result. Unfortunately it is often the luck of the draw.

Hi to all - I was d iagnosed with PMR in December 2012 and given systemic steroid injections over a period of 5 months. They only helped for a few weeks and then the pain came back with a venegance. I then took anti inflammatories and thought I was managing on them but the pain and stiffness brecame too much and my consultant insisted that I started on 15mg of pred in October. I took this dose for 2 months and then decreased to 10 and 15mg on alternate days for 2 months. I am now taking 10 mg which I have been told to decrease by 1mg after 2 months and so on.

I feel that I have wasted a lot of time and if I had gone on the pred at the beginning of my illness I would have been on about 7 mg by now. A this rate I will not be on a very low dose for about 2 years . I try to walk every day - weather permitting - but as Eileen H says - have to keep stopping about every 10 mins. Hope we all get rid of this nasty disease eventually - we can only live in hope.

EileenH - I haven't a high stool, but it is a great idea - thanks

Joey - I am definitely going to do a walk a day. I have a fold up walking stick which I will take with me in case I get stuck. Maybe 2 x 10 minute walks morning and afternoon to begin with.

Sue245 - Welcome! There are lots of posts on various threads on here - you will find lots of help. I find this forum invaluable and am very new to this condition.

Sue: I don't understand WHY doctors use steroid injections for PMR - they get you nowhere!

Actually, 15 is a moderate dose and 7mg is regarded as a low dose - it is similar to the amount the body makes naturally anyway. The paper we were talking about above recommends staying on 10mg for a year before any further reduction and by doing that you reduce the chance of a flare to 1 in 5 whereas the scheme you have been told to use result in a flare in 3 out of 5 cases.

I'd rather stay on 10mg for longer than risk having to go back up to 15mg because of a flare because it really is more difficult to reduce the next time. In June it will be 5 years since I started pred, after ups and downs I have worked out a reduction that works for me and have got to 5mg - and I'm staying here for a few months. I feel well and I can now walk briskly for 3/4 hour before I feel tired - you will get there too.

Thanks for your help ladies - will follow your advice. Its nice to chat with fellow sufferers.

Thanks for the tip Eileen. OH is off to Argos to buy a pair foldaway high stools.

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/6000262.htm

This link may be helpful to others who would find the tip of the high stool useful.

I too have been taking steroids for 2 years for PMR and still hVe to take it slowly and rest when my body tells me otherwise I am absolutely useless for a day at least. The energy suddenly drains from me (I say my battery has gone flat) that's the only way to describe how I feel! I have no lasting stamina but am grateful that I can do most things although not strenuous exercise. One of the ladies not this site told me to be patient and I am getting there. I was also told to learn to love my steroids which I now do as I wouldn't be much good without them. Still have not learned to love my double chin though! Kind regards to all. Kathleen

Yes - that expresses it brilliantly tired lady! I've been lucky I suppose as it doesn't seem to happen any more. I remember someone saying they had been out shopping and all they wanted to do in Top Shop or somewhere was lie down and crawl under the carousels of clothes!

The double chin will go eventually. My granddaughter has to take over 20mg pred every so often because of severe asthma - she balloons every time, must be hell at 14. But they keep her alive...

Hi there,

As a male (60+) who was very active in athletics and in great shape (competing at a National level), I found that literally overnight I could barely move. Walking was very difficult and running, biking, paddling, workouts, etc, came to an end.

Once diagnosed with PMR and given Prednisone I was able to walk at half speed, but not much else. My doctor suggested that I go from 10mg to 30mg for a short time to improve my lifestyle. That worked until I decreased back down to 10mg over a four month period. I gradually got worse and have had to go back up to 30mg. I can now exercise lightly in most things, but still need extra nap time.

I have not gained weight as I am very careful about what I eat. I walk a lot and continually try other forms of exercise, careful not to over do it. I eat more protein than average and take vitamin supplements. Life is much better and I will lower the dose of Prednisone much slower than before and with any luck get down to 10mg or less.

Knowing other people with the same affliction I have come to realize that everybody is affected differently and that makes it hard to understand what is happening to yourself at times. It really is an ongoing individual experiment

I hope this helps a bit,

Shawn

Shawn - I'm sure this sounds awful but I have to say it is a relief to hear that men don't always have a simpler life than us women!

Did your doctor START you on 10mg? If so that is very low and would make things more difficult I would have thought. On the other hand, 30mg is very high - and I know a lot of people who wouldn't think 30mg "improved quality of life"! 15mg should work for the vast majority, a few need 20 - but 30 is associated with more long term problems with side effects and things.

I have just posted with recommendations for reductions on another thread

https://patient.info/forums/discuss/pain-on-withdrawal-83577

If you click on that link it would save me rewriting it here (even using copy and paste!)

maybe there is something to help you there? You should be OK to reduce 2.5mg at a time down to 15mg - but after that I'd try just 1mg at a time.

Keep in touch now you are here

Eileen

Hi ther I suffered from Temporal artritis which also led to a diagnosis of polymyalgia. I started on a very hefty dose of 30mg of prednisolone two and have years ago. I finally got down to 13mg couple weeks ago and then had a massive flare up and Im back to 18mg again. Was very interested in the comment that it gets harder to reduce each time you have to put dose up. I confess I feel about ok on 15mg but due to weight issues I am trying to go down as quick as I can. I am also Diabetic which is affected by steroids. Its all good fun folks isnts it. On the plus side the majority of the time I cope, I help in a charity shop one day a week and go to a gold dance class and zumba session where you go at your own pace. All good for a few giggles. I don't think I have taken the illness seriously enough as I haven't listened to my body when it needs more rest. A lady earlier on said it was like her batteries had gone flat. Too right!! Anyway still here and still enjoying life if slighter heavier and rounder in the face. Good news lost a stone in a year with help of Weightwatchers. So nice to share thoughts on here when you hide feelings from family. Thank you all so much smile