Fast recovery from a ' acid rebound reaction'?

General health and lifestyle
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Hi all,

So I have been diagnosed with Gastritis, GERD and Duodenal erosions. Since my current diet was only low-fat, not low-acid it didn't improve my symptoms worse (and my stress was making it much worse).  It was not until a month ago when I read the 'How I cured my gastritis.' thread by Ines that I started incorporating low-acid food into my diet and eliminating the irritating ones. I felt relatively better in two weeks and my symptoms were controlled : No more loose bright stools, very minor stomach cramps, less bloating and nausea and even my belching became significantly less. However, over the course of the last few weeks, I cheated on my diet...Big time. I became overconfident and started eating outside not once, twice but 6 times!!! It ranged from grilled chicken steaks to grilled fish, pizza and *gulp* some Mexican cuisine. I know, i know I screwed up big time. It was not until the day of my 6th cheat meal that I felt like something was definitely up. And from that day onward, things started to get much worse. For the first time I felt 'burning pain' in my stomach, there is slight indigestion and I started belching more than ever. Sleepless nights naturally followed and my stools became light and loose again. My stomach cramps are constant and just won't go away! I became strict with my diet again but it's the 5th day and the stomach cramp/pain just won't go away! I have exams next week and I'm freaking out.

So I wanted to ask you guys about the duration of the 'acid rebound reaction' and how to quickly control it? I know, I know, the actual full recovery from my gastritis will be completed in 2-3 months, maybe more now that I messed up my stomach even more. 

Oh and I take omeprazole 20mg twice a day, Ganaton twice a day and Gaviscon on and off.

Ps, I eat small frequent meals, sleep 3 hours after eating dinner and sleep with the head elevated. Any more tips that I should follow?

Thanks in advance, everyone!

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I was diagnosed with Gastritis years ago. I was given Gaviscon. To cut a long story short I sometimes get symptoms to do with acid reflux when I'm not careful enough with my diet.

I take Barberry, a herb. You can also take a teaspoon of bicarbonate of soda in a glass of water. Apple cider vinegar is really useful to regularly take.

Lemons alkalise the body because acidic foods such as lemons turn into alkaline ash in our bodies, wherease alkaline foods such as flour etc turn acidic in our bodies. It's to do with the enzymes our bodies produce to deal with them.

 

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Sorry you "mucked up"...happens a lot with most everyone, including my wife.

I cannot help with and rapid healings..Georgia has good tips..

Where I can offer some advice:

French fries are cooked in temperaturs around 375F

Pizza ovens often are at 500 to 600F

At what temp might be the "smoke point"be for either

oils within the pizza, assuming french fry oil is "FRESH"?

and not reused?

Do a google scholar search for HNE. This is the

toxin that can form at "smoke point"...doesn't bother

the healthy but can wreck havoc on those who are

not..

Wife recovered from Gastritis around October, we

stay prudent for 6 months or mid april...she is on

her way to Toronto today, first outing in 2 years...

she will only eat "steamed" foods outside of family

settings.

What we experienced for  months once

she "seemed cured" was "any heated oil" caused

problems and set her back "big time". But once 

"compliant" with oil diet....there has been no issues

whatsoever...we continue small meals but she can

pretty much eat everything...she does abstain

from butter but uses organic coconut oil without

issue.I don't know if butter hurts or helps since 

she refuses it...

Best way to protect yourself is to be very prudent

with anything you put into your stomach..

.I am PPI biased.but not Gaviscon plus.

Claudio

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Brilliant advice Claudio! Steamed foods, Coconut oil! 

Adding if you cook or warm foods on cooker rings don't do it above the temperature of 4 electric, I don't know what that would convert to on a gas cooker but mid range temp.

If you use aluminium pans get rid of them because they're toxic, and get yourselves a good stainless steel set of pans.

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Good suggestions as always Georgia,

and yes, toossed the aluminum about 10 years ago...sniffled when I tossed the pressure cooker, replaced with a stainless and the seal lasted twice, replaced, one year later same...spent a ton of $$ to get a French made unit as All other units available at the time were from.. China

..took my gal this am to SFO...on return, stopped by grocer to purchase food for one senior (I volunteer aid for 2 in my inediate community) and had a flat tyre..checked it..and had a hole as big as a golf ball...consider myself very very lucky, freeways here are like "race tracks"...claudio

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Hi Ahmad!

I also followed Ines' thread and advice and I am so much better, and very grateful to her.  I never did the medication route, but just stuck to the low acid diet for many months, drank chamomille tea with licorice first thing in the morning, slippery elm, and the most important supplement Pepsin GI (I really turned the corner when I began taking it). I would find a way to mitigate stress as this is a trigger for gastritis. Just go back to the diet, relax, learn from your mistakes, and realize it will take time.

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Thanks for your repy! Whoa...I just spent two months with this aweful condition and I thought I had enough. Oh well, guess I have to be mentally prepared to eat healthy for most of the rest of my life, which is actually a good thing if you think about it. And thanka again for the info about the lemons. I was skeptic about using them because of it's acidic nature but I guess I'll try it. Can I use it on chamomile tea?

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Haha, yup I "mucked up". Couldn't have said it any better myself. 

I read the stuff you recommended and it's all crystal clear why I got such a bad 'acid rebound reaction'. Couldn't believe I actually ate such unsafe and unhealthy foods WHILE my stomach was still in recovery.... 6 times! No wonder why it's taking so long to control the rebound. And I understand why your wife would avoid butter. Even I am scared to try anything until and unless my stomach goes back to 'normal'. I'm glad your wife made it through. I'm feeling a bit relaxed knowing that this is a normal part of recovery. I just have to make sure not to eat ANYTHING outside for 2-3 months.

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A squeeze of fresh lemon juice sound great in Chamomile tea! I'll have to try that myself! 

I used to make beef stew but I started getting painful heartburn so I cut beef out of my diet. Lamb stew is better but still sometimes gives me it. I never get it from eating chicken, and I eat a lot of fish.

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On Freeways like race tracks, life is so fast these days, no wonder we get gastroenteritis and other health conditions from all the stress, like Deb said it's a trigger.

Sounds like you had a good time in SFO though! 

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Hiya Deb!

Yeah, I'm really grateful to Ines, too. Truth to be told, I was under much much more stress a few months ago as I wasn't recovering despite taking medications (it was due to my diet but I had no clue about having a strict low-acid diet) and I've never had a disease that lasted this long with so much pain and disturbances so naturally I was freaking out every single day. The internet made things worse as the symptoms I searched on were always leading to cancer or any other incurable disease. My condition was on my mind 24/7. Then I found out about Ines's thread and my spirits were lifted again. Trial and error is a normal part of this condition and even a small improvement may take a lot of time. I'm glad you were able to recover using the natural way. Ines said it was slow but you were patient enough to go through it all.

Unfortunately, these natural supplements aren't available in my country. However, I have many relatives living in the states so I might contact them to ship it to me or something. 

Oh and that reminds me, I should get some more chamomile tea as my current supplies had finished 2 days ago! 

I definitely learned a lesson. That's why I made an oath to not eat anything outside for the next three months. Yup, I've just had enough of it. 

say, did you also have a really bad acid rebound reaction? It's definitely something to reckon with.

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Hi Ahmad,

For some unknown "excuse" I glossed over your initial statement

"I was diagnosed with duodenal erosions " .

These are the same as "ulcers"..usually called peptic ulcers.

The "usual" cause of these is HPylori or about 70% of the time...others can be from NSAID's, smoking and other stuff.

Did your dr suggest "cause"? thanks, Claudio

 

 

 

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Shudda took the gals with my 2 seater Toy prerunner to SFO. would have been very snuggy in spite the two are petite (elder sis is a taiji master" I didn't go into Chinatown nor the Warf..just to the International Terminal  and back home.

Btw...why not "zest" of fresh ginger in chamomile tea ?studies of chamomile  indicate potent antiinflammatory action, some antimutagenic and cholesterol-lowering activities, as well as antispasmotic and anxiolytic effects, then add anti ulcer ginger (zest only for an anti-ulcer constituent, 6-gingesulfonic acid, and the  three monoacyldigalactosylglycerols, gingerglycolipids A, B, and C, ? what's your thoughts?

Claudio

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Wow so did I Claudio! My reason is that I have to skim long sections of text without spaces, because my eye sight is not great and my concentration levels are sometimes poor.

Debs advice, especially Slippery Elm Bark, and take Aloe Vera juice daily.

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I wouldn't use lemon or anything acidic. Lemon ginger tea is one of the things that put me initially into the acute phase of my gastritis

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I would and do! But it's a regular thing to alkalise my body. As I tried to explain when you put something acidic such as lemons in your mouth the body produces alkaline enzymes to neutralise the acid so you become more alkaline.

Meat is alkaline, as is pastry etc, and your mouth and digestive tract produces a lot of acid to restore the body's balance, hence acid reflux.

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Yeah, but when you have gastritis (inflammation of the stomach lining) the last thing you want to do is throw something acidic on it

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Which is why I said I alkalise my body regularly and when I occassionally get reflux from going mad and eating meat or pastry or something I take bicarbonate of soda in water. Apple cider vinegar in water.

And I also agreed with you on Slippery Elm Bark, and I added Aloe Vera to what you said.

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That's weird, I also said somewhere that 'duodenal erosions' actually meant peptic ulcers. The doctor didn't tell me about no ulcer but I did make it clear that I was overweight and would eat fast foods A LOT for the past 3-4 years. The main offender was the caffeine in cola. I used to drink 3-4 cans of cola a day. I used to drink it to quench my thirst too and only drink water for , like, once a week? So that was evident enough for my condition. I guess I'm in a lot of pain because of the ulcer. I'm not sure. Oh and after my endoscopy I was diagnosed with gastritis, incompetent LES (Although I had no acid creeping up my esophagus) and duodenal erosions. I had no H.Pylori. Even the stool test was negative.

I just hope my stools get better as it still bright and kinda loose. The stomach cramps diminished slightly compared to yesterday. I guess it'll take another week or two to recover from this rebound.

PS, I never smoked or drink. Awesome for a 21 year old, huh? 

 

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Thanks Georia!

When do you think should I take the sodium bi carbonate drink? First thing in the morning on an empty stomach? And can I use the baking soda used for baking and cooking?