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someone just posted this on my face book page ,i am still smileing iv known this for years .my gran told me something very simulair .

here goes.  i can honestly say that unless your in a serious accident ,your best way to live to a ripe old age is to avoid doctors and hospitals .

and learn about nutrition ,herbal medicine and other forms of natrual medincine. unless you are fortunate enough to have a naturopathic doctor.

almost all drugs are toxic and are desighned only to treat the symptoms and are not a cure.

vaccines are highly dangerous ,have never been adequatly studied or proven to be effective and have poor risk/reward ratio

most surgery is unnecessary and textbooks of medincine are inaccurate and deceptive,almost all disease is said to be idiopathic [without known cause] or genectic -although this is untrue .

in short ,our mainstream medical system is hopelessly inept /and or corrupt. the treatment of cancer and degenerative diseases is a national scandle . the sooner you learn this the better of you will be .

author of this ,retired physican DR.Allan Greenberg MD . DISCUSS !! PLEASE .

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what is there to say on this topic

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The basic tenets of good medicine are

1.  do no harm

2. if it is doing no good change it

3. if it doing harm stop doing it

These principles in very many cases are ignored. Should patients continue to ignore them? Many of the points listed by Tiswas are suported by these principles.

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Hehe.. Tiswas!

Dr. Lawrence Wilson - "To strengthen the immune system, one must address the needs of the whole body.  A strong immune system is essential for health.  It is a very complex system of the body, involving the skin, intestines, nasal mucosa, blood, lymph and many other organs and tissues.  Factors that impair the immune system include nutrient deficiencies, contaminated air, water and food, unhealthful lifestyles and too much exposure to harmful microbes.  Other factors that weaken the immune system are negative attitudes and emotions and the presence of toxic metals, toxic chemicals and biological toxins in the body.  Others are sluggish metabolism, lack of rest and sleep, excessive stress or too much exercise.  As these causative factors are removed or corrected, the immune system improves."

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its nice to know that i am not alone thinking along these thougths 

iv always tried my best to recover with what ever ails me .with out the doctor.

my file is very small compared to most patcients of my age .

in the last 10yrs iv been to the doctors for bloods about 6 times and a chest infection [which was caused by antidepreants ] which i told him i didnt need , because i was only depressesd because i was in constant pain .this seemed to go right over his head. luckly i was only on them for 2 months when the penny dropped that the cough stated when i started the pills

iv had flu once in that time and got over it by sleeping and rest and lots of fluids ,the worst thing and the hardest thing to get rid of was the cough

. i asked my doctor about mageneisum he said we only do half a day on vitamins and minerals , and shugged his shoulders 

how can you help people with out basic idea how the body functions

thru nutriention or lack of it. i would have thought this basic medical learning.

Did you know that unlike other professions theres no need for a doctor to go on training courses to keep up to date with latest medical information . bit worring .eek

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your so right george but were there is profit to be made ,

there are no princables .mad

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i dont no what you mean by this comment.

confused

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Hi Tiswas,

I don't have that problem with my doctor, she actually purchased books on my conditon mainly because there is so many variants and on top of that, Doctors and Consultants call me a very complex case, with being on over 40+ tablets a day and 5 injections every 10 weeks, it's not easy to make changes in tablets without causing major side-effects. My doctor looks up drugs if shes unsure if they will affect any that I'm already on.

Regards,

Les.

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Yes they break the Hyppocratic oath continuously. He told his students 'Do no harm and use herbs'. They only use extracts of herbs and pack their drugs full of toxic, harmful ingredients.

The problem with using a herb extract is that whole herbs, leaves, roots etc contain the antidote to anything toxic in them so using only extracts is ludicrous!

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I utterly agree with you. I studied Herbalism when I realised that doctors can't help me.

I severed a tendon in my thumb and had to have an operation. The surgeon talked to me before it and I said 'No antibiotics!' She was horrified and described how the skin is covered in bacteria and that they'd enter my body as soon as she cut the thumb.

I emphatically said no and that as soon as I got home I'd use Myrrh and Grapefruit Seed Extract. But I had to stay in over night after the op because the nurse said I shouldn't go home if no one was there because of the meds that put me under in my system.

Sure enough my arm went bright red and swelled up. It was very painful. As soon as I got home I took Myrrh and GSE and within half a day my arm was back to normal. I will not take antibiotics, vaccines, antidepressants or such.

I have no choice but to take antihistamines because of skin itching, I use painkillers at a minimum and Creon capsules for digestion and wish I didn't have to. But mainly it's herbs and diet that I rely on. Great discussion tiswas!

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I had a doctor in whom I had great confidence. Where appropriate he would even say, "I don't know." That brief statement gave me such confidence in what he did advise and prescribe. 

Sadly for us a new doctor took over the practice. Our good doctor left the practice almost imeadiately. After my wife consulted the new doctor and was prescribed conflicting drugs we decided to leave the practice too.

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O come, come dear Tiswas. No principles? Surely not. There is the great god and principle "the Bottom Line".

You will have to take a test.

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Tick each statement that is correct. You are allowd 30 seconds for this examination, starting now.

1]  the love of money is the root of all evil

2] the love of money corrodes good medicine

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Time up. Put down your pen. If you made two ticks go to the top of the class. Well done.

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well of course theres two ticks .eek

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sorry george but the test relates to staements not princables 

where money is involved esp massive profits who cares if a few hundred or thousand people die along the way . these big cooperations do not have princables .MONEY  is there GOD

.i may not believe in the bible 

as we all no it was put together from scripures found i believe in iseral i migth be wrong there but i think it was iseral

,the scriptures all written by differant people at differant times,one of the scriptures mentions a dragon this was left out of the bible . but the bible as a book was never so. only put together by man .the way he thought it should be .

allthough the bible brings great comfort to some and thats fine what brings comfort in times of stress or in the darkest of the night to someone can only be good

,but as a book of referance of facts no i dont think so .

i am comforted by crystals ,and light and the faith that my gift of sensistivity and vast insight will keep me safe

. iv avoided and helped others keep safe with just what i feel . most people cant understand me sometimes even i dont understand me , i just know that someone keeps me safe

.iv been so near to danger so many times and some how been kept safe . iv seen danger for others and have forwarned them ,some have listened some wished they had .

i sense when people will split up , i sense they future , like my sister inlaw. in the past i would have been burnt for being a witch . maybe i was who nows . witches never exsisted they were just like me gifted either in healing, or insight , cheesygrin 

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someone at last that talks sense , the skin itching worries me hun i used to take antihistamines for etecara not sure if that is spelt right, b its a slightly raised red blothches that itch like mad , 

the lady who  done my acupunture at the time told me these were very bad , said can actuly cause itching and effect the heart rhythems and cause depression i stopped using them , i applied aloe vera to them and nano silver when they flared up 

since continueing with reflexology and accupunture i dont get them any more , i sometimes have an unexplained itching which is all over

but tend to ignore it ,dosent last long , this can be liver related maybe have you had your liver tested.

it was great news about your arm not that it got bad but you managed to put it right , i use nano silver and lavender for burns silver for treating ear wax , and burns to ,aloe for just about everything.

i also take nano gold supplement , have you tried aloevera for digestion the liquid iv known people have some very good results .

i broke my nose in a fall in 2013 blood every where knocked my self dizzy with slight cunconsion ,and broke a bone in my hand round my thumb , they kept me in casulty to make sure i was ok because of my head ,

and the nose was bleeding loads ,tthey kept saying do you want painkiller i kept saying no i had no pain at all except the impact pain when i fell . came home dazed and dizzy and waited for the pain to start nope ,my hand kicked of in the night throbbed like mad 

i just used polar frost roll on numbed the pain nicely ,i used arnica on my nose and checks and silver nasal spray to help heel my nose  no pain killers no bruising .well a slight tinge of green , but i was expecting black eyes and everything , i mean heads and pavements dont go well together.  

can you tell me more about Myrrh i know its an essential oil but i no litle more than that . lol

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i had this from spirit the other day 

where is the land of memory 

in a place called long ago 

visit breifly.but know when its time to go .biggrin

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i am a big believer in homeopathic remedies treating the body gently aiding it to recover . they seem to work for me .

herbal medincine i find to strong for me at the moment . but do believe whole heartidly that it works .

why wouldnt it .

the animals no what to eat when there ill

they dont go running of to boots . 

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to be quite honest it seems that your chasing the dragon one drug treating a symptom then causing another symptom so needing another drug .

thats why i didnt start with the drugs because this is what happens .

iv had pain where i wished i was dead it was so bad but just worked thru it now i belive i am getting my rewards . 

i do believe that some meds are needed for some conditions but a whole heap of them are not .there just keeping the doctors in a job .

this is just how i feel , no reflection on you hun so please dont be offended  . 

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Yes Tiswas, the great blessing of this forum is we accept we each have our way of understanding ourselves, our relations, our friends, our neighbours and the world we inhabit. How each see that is fine. We in our turn say how we see it. None of it is said to contradict another. 

We are all in trouble and share our thoughts and experiences. In receiving comfort and acceptance ourselves we try to impart comfort and acceptance on our fellows in the forum. Please believe me dear Tiswas, nothing I write is intended to contradict your world view. It is mearly my world view. 

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of course george ,we must all find our way ..stumble and full ,get up and brush ourselves of and stumble some more .that is life a field of rocks and holes that we work our way thru , and occasionly we see a beautiful tree or a patch of wonderful flowers that are our joy and we will continue on uplifted for that joy confused