Hi everyone. Struggling to get some answers for what I suspect, is PV

Hi everyone...

New here, but I have read a lot of posts on this forum over the last year. Last year, (in the Fall), I began to experience some odd itching (generalized) on my body, hands and arms when I would go for a run. I would also itch on my legs (shin area mostly) and my hands and arms, for no apparent reason, they'd just itch as soon I would wake up on and off throughout the day. I also, although not very much, would itch after contact with water, albeit, very little at all, and If I did, it would be more after exposure to cooler water, such as at the lake. About a week later (end of September), I was in our local emerge as the itch was driving me mad, some blood work was done, and the emerge Dr said my HB was slightly elevated (17.8) but he wasn't concernded, he just said to redue my blood work in a month. In the mean time, I was referred to a dermatologist for the itch, and was able to get in relatively quickly considering I live in Canada. The dermatologist attributed my itch to dermagraphism, which he tested me for by taking a stick and drawing on my back. But I question this, as I do not get the welts you typically see from dermagraphism, just what appear to be red histimine lines from where I scratch. Sometimes when I itch, i can just run my finger across the itchy part and a red line appears. I had some more blood work done, but through an outside agency, and now my HB was even higher, 18.3 and my Hct was 51.0. My GP refrred me a Internest Dr, who did a ton of blood work and ordered the Jak 2 V617f test, which from what I gather is the predominant mutation in PV, as it presents in about 96% of all cases. The test was done using PSR analysis, which is the far more sensitive. The week it took was agonizing to say the least, but the test came back negative, which I was extremely happy about. I should mention that 17 days prior to this test, i had donated blood on the advice of my mom, but when I inquried if this would have skewed the test, my answer was no, not at all. If I had the mutation, it would have shown up. Although I was happy, the itch was still occuring and when I saw my Internest for a follow up, she said that she no longer suspected I had PV. I asked her about the other Jak 2 (exon 12) test, and she said, her words, "when are you gonna stop looking?" I explained that, although the jak 2 v617f test accounts for the vast majority, there is still a few that test for the other mutation. She pretty much said no, she wasn't going to order it, and that I should do some more blood work in three months, which I did the end of march this year, and my counts were 17.4 for Hb and 49.4 for Hct, which I was happy about... But as of today, I still itch and as far as I am concerned, I am no further ahead in solving this issue. I worry I have PV as I can not find anything else that would correlate to the itch and having a slightly elevated HB and Hct.. That being said, my blood records going back to 2007 have always indicated a slightly higher side of normal in terms of HB and Hct, but never outside the upper limits, that is, until recently.. All my other counts have been normal. The only symptoms I have has been the itch, and on occasion, sinus type headaches... Interestingly, I have an Identical twin brother, who when asking him what his values were, said that his last CBC (done about year and a half ago) showed a HB of 17.3 and an Hct of 50.0...

I feel like like I am going insane, so much so that my GP and other family members are worried about my mental state... Recently, the itch has gotten worse and today, swimming in the lake, I itched a lot after getting out of the water, which, prompted me to finally post...! 

I will also note, neither my Internest Dr, nor my GP, think a hematolgist will see me if they refer me, they think my levels are not elevated enough... Go figure..! At my ropes end people... I am not convinced I don't have PV  .... and its next to impossible to get answers.. 

 

Have you tried antihistimine tablets? Solve itiching problem for me.

Hi Clem...

I have prescription reactine for ragweed and other seasonal allergies, but it does absolutely nothing.... So frustrating.. 

Ceterizine is what i use, think u may get them over the counter

Hello,

Can you think of anything unusual that happened to you last autumn? Did you contract a virus or anything?  Were there any reports of algal blooms in the lake water late last summer? How do you feel, apart from the itching and the sinus trouble? Do you feel lethargic or achy? Maybe it's not polycythaemia. Maybe you have something such as aquagenic pruritic

Have you considered your detergent may be the itch cause?

Hi Angela... I can't think of anything, other than Lime disease, which I believe I was tested for, but I am not 100% sure... I have had a ton of blood work done, looking at everything. No, not tired at at all, and no redness. I have been paying close attention to any symptoms or signs... I am at a loss, other than to say, this is not something (the itching) I have ever experienced before. I guess thats possible, but I don't always itch after being in the water, its sporatic at best. But I will say, I've certainly noticed it more as of late... Its weird, I can have a weeks worth of hot showers, then jump in the lake at the cottage, and itch like crazy when I get out, albeit, not for very long. Sometimes I will have a hot shower and itch mildly, then other times nothing.... Ugh.... I do itch in general though, that is, my skin itches (at a level I can tolerate) on and off throughout the day. So when I do shower and itch after, I don't know if its from the itching before having the shower or a result of....   

I am slated to see an allergist in September, but I am not holding out that this is going to be resolved.... I've thought it might be due to a histamine intolerance of some sort, but then there's the itch that, at times, will accompany exposure to water... So I don't know... 

Maybe I'll give them a shot.... Thx Clem... 

If you don't mind me asking Clem, what do you take for your dose? 

2 on occasion 3 5mg tablets. I kike u suffered a lot of itching on my shins when i was a child. Their pretty scarred now. Tablets usually work within a couple of hours.

Thanks Clem... How long have you had PV? I've read a lot of stuff, and have watched a few testamonies online, and from what I have seen or heard, some people can live with the disease for 30+ years. 

I was born with it. I didnt know wat the cause of my ill health until i was 30. 58 now .

Thanks Clem, you're an inspiration! 

Im convinced my daughter has this discease , she has been tested once but nothing showed up. She is due to be tested again. She has the same symptoms as me so hopefully she will get answers as well.

Are you Jak2 v617f positive? Do you know? I relaize that most individuals with PV, 96% I believe (possibly closer to 97%) have this particular mutation... 

I have jak2 dont know the details though

Hi it's a frustration for you, after reading things on here and other forums, in my opinion there must be some reason your bloods are not within a heathy range. I'm waiting for my JAK2 results and my haemotololist has told me if its negitive he needs to run more tests as there is a reason my bloods are high, so he wants to get to the bottom of things, I don't know how I would feel if they can't find any reason for it. On another forum I read one guy has primary PV but JAK2 negitive due to another gene I'll find out which one it was sometime today, or if you are on face book it's called polcythaemia UK, he has PV and his mother does too, his bloods have been high for years. It's scary to think they would leave you to suffer with high bloods when it can course you to have a stroke or heart attack, like someone on here said it's the oil that runs your engine. I really do hope you get some answers. Julia

I'd say so... Well, my GP has told me that its not uncommon to see your blood work values fall outside the limits, as they never stay the same and they fluxuate throughout the day. Values also vary between different regions or geographical locations. For some the upper limit is 18.0 for a male, and in others its 17.5 (that is the upper value where I live) and I have even seen them as low as 17.0 (I think in Austraila), so I don't know. I have blood work going back as far as 2007, and my counts have always been between 16.8 to 17.3, always... Last Fall, they were slightly elevated (stress maybe?) I don't know... But I also have an itch, generalized, that hasn't gone away from around the same time. My frustration centers around an Internist Dr who refused to investigate me further, now I have to wait and get a second opinion. All the research I have looked at says that the main Jak2 V617f mutation is the the most common one (at 96% to 97%) leaving a small, but worthy 2-3% chance its the jak2 exon 12. I will say the last time I had blood work done (end of March this year), my counts were within the limit. albeit, the upper limit of normal.In my original post, I mentioned that I have an identical twin brother and his values are upper norm as well, 17.3 Hb and 50.0 for Hct... But he's not itchng lol... 

 

So strange Clem, that your daughter might have it too... I've read its uncommon that the disease is inherited, but rather, it is usually acquired. I would argue that they (scientists and other in the medical community) don't really know for sure. Are, or were, any of your other counts high, white cells? Platelets?