Hopelessly binge drinking into oblivion ??!

Hi  this is my first post to forum so i hope it makes sense! Just wondering if anyone has experienced this kind of pattern and would appreciate any tips how to stop! I been drinking heavily twice a week for about 7 years now but was always was the noticeable one from early on, quite self destructive in terms  of use. I can’t seem to control the anxiety which consumes me after two drinks, its a horrid feeling like walking on thin ice i don’t know what’s in store for tonight once started.

Before was always happy go lucky merry drinker while at uni, but following bereavements ,health conditions, job change etc,  this seemed to have replaced by unhappy, frustrated and angry alcoholic. i now drink alone indoors most weekends to try and keep out of trouble as recently things are getting worst when out with friends, the arguments, sarcasm, insults i’m ashamed to say etc. I am a nice good person and don’t like the ‘other’ person emerging after i drink  and determined to stop before some an event occurs and there is no going back. I have been to couple mates  funerals that were alcohol related and should know better about the road ahead. I had a big problem with coke that landed me in hospital twice before following OD but have been clean so far. But my vice has always been the alcohol and i worried this don’t care attitude will trigger full relapse of everything. I went  AA, personal meeting and atm reading and realising the difficulty but wondering am i addicted to drink already and what to do??!

I am aware from the literature that this type of drinking often leads to alcoholism and given my circumstances and factors, i dislike the fear as is part and parcel which feeds it itself. I am back on sleeping tablets as planning to fight ahead for 30 days off but already tried and failed several times this year.

Larry,

Your story is almost exactly like mine. I became so tired of that "other"guy f*cking up my life that something had to be done. So I quit. AA talks about just surrendering so I did. I have come to realize if I do d not stop I would die. I just don't want to die so early when I feel like I have so much yet to do. So I'm about to begin my third month sober. Today is that day actually. Do whatever it takes do not one more drink becomes a standard in your life. 

Hello Larry,

I think the most important thing is that you have noticed it and are keen to prevent any icidents which cause you embarrassment or worse.

Alcohol affects different people in different ways. You get the loud but funny drinker, the one who starts undressing, the one who looks for a fight, the one who simply falls asleep to name just a few. Recognising which type you are is key to ensuring that you don't do it in the wrong place (out with the boss for example) and you seem to be dealing with that by drinking alne but, as you realise, that could bring its own problems.

I think you probably need to ask yourself why you drink. What is it that makes you do something which you know is likely to make you behave in ways you are ashamed of. What is the appeal of the alcohol? What happens if you DON'T drink. Are you able to take a night off from drinking on a night when you nrmally would? If you do, what happens? Do you get agitated? Are you just bored?

Also, why don't you stop at two. Is it imposible for you to stop once you have had two drinks? Does one drink always lead to more? Is the only way to control your drinking to avoid alcohol altogether?

Just a few questions to ask yourself. Please feel free to send me a private message if you want to chat. Just to let you know, I am a qualified nurse specialising in alcohol problems smile

*incidents

Hi Larry, I have been a drinker for 15 years or more, in 2012 i lost my best friend to Cancer at 41 years old. so i drank more. I'm now having liver scans and pain every day because of it!. I drank every night and have failed many times. I have 3 children and i feel guilty as hell when i look at their beautiful faces when they tell me i'm the best mum ever and they love me so much!!. I did a month which was bloody hard!!, and i slipped a bit again but if i dont nail it i'm a gonner as my liver is swollen and painful. Please quit while you can before you get like me!!!

Wow 90 days excellent!!

Yes that other person seems to just pop in and wreck havoc and prevent anything good but it’s great you are choosing not to allow it to rule your life

I manage 3 months last year and just felt like the right thing to do. People were coming back into my life, things seemed brighter and i was happier, but one must keep trying and taking it day by day..

Keep up the good work!!

Hi Paul, thanks for the info and advice! Yes those are very valid questions which i have asked myself many a time, ie next day and while intoxicated. I guess my self esteem has taken quite a wallop over the years not to mention my liver and stomach ulcer.

it’s a pattern of behavior to my knowledge on specific days. Believe me i’ve tried everything! Non alcoholic beer, 1 or 2 controlled drinking with food, switching to lemonade half way though etc, abstinence is the solution for me. Once i start, it’s like an engine that doesn’t switch off and i get into real panic if it’s quarter to eleven comes and the fridge is empty- just unbearable after many drinks. Worst still, i’ve missed it and will walk 3 miles to the 24 hour tesco or even ride at 3am with bags! Madness. I think the don’t care attitude is the most dangerous. Being lucky to keep my job so far but understand why people would consider steeling alcohol from a supermarket without hesitation.

When i get to the 3 week mark, there is a big change and i feel calmer and somehow better but i can’t get seem to budge from 5 days atm!  I still got a quite few bridges unburned fortunately and want to keep it that way.  The main feature of my drinking style is complete obliteration which stems from self destruction i think by not having not had the best start in life did me no favours.  Some of my remaining friends say i am my worst own enemy , it’s very sad to see me destroying all the qualities and choosing to the bottle. 

Larry, sometimes a detox gives you a good start. Althoiugh it doesn't sound like you have physical withdrawal symptoms on the days you don't drink, detox can relax you and give you that good start. You would be on your own from 7 days onwards but probably much calmer after a few days of medication and support from a health professional. Many areas have home detox services and they may agree to help you in that way. It's worth speaking to your GP. There are private services available if you are ok cashwise and prefer to keep it away from your GP, but I would suggest that it is better your GP knows anyway, even if you did use a private service. If you DO use a private service, be careful!! There are a lot who will charge you a lot and ONLY send out a prescription, otherwise leaving you to get on with it alone.

 

You are not too far gone Lesley smile Have a look at what I advised Larry above and have a think about it smile Don't try and stop drinking without medical help if you find yourself experiencing physical withdrawal symptoms, it can be extremely dangerous.

U know Larry I can say what I tell everyone u will end up in the hospital on life support dangling from a thread between life and death. Or u still haven't lost UR job YET, or everything u own YET. BUT I won't Go on because u have to find your own bottom before u seek help and stick with a program that is experienced to help alcoholics.  ALCOHOL  controls every aspect of UR life. YOU are no longer that womder man known as LARRY. ALCOHOL changes who YOU ARE...AND IT undermines any attempt for sobriety because u cannot do this by urself. U KNOW IT AND I KNOW IT...

I could direct you to read my many heart breaking posts/ discussions about my son who has been a ALCOHOLIC  since a TEEN.and mabe u could see the pain u live in and create for those who luv you. But I won't, because you will think that's not ME!

I will only say that I wish I had a drinking problem sometimes because I know that I would have a choice even though alcohol addiction controls my mind but it's a disease and I would love to live a sober, or a pain free life and I take help for my alcoholism in a New York minute. Because I have a lot of arthritis slowly eating away at my bones and joints. I have osteo arthritis , psoriatic arthritis, rhumy arthritis and two  hip joint replacements and the left hip has been recalled by the manufacturer.

So now I have to endure the pain of the surgeon to remove the recalled hip ..whole implant device from my femur bone they have to use a hammer and chisel to break the bone to remove it. Then the ball joint has to be removed same proceedure. My pelvis has osteo arthritis it feels like I am in labour about to deliver a child if I simply stand to long or walk a block. They cannot guarantee that I will come thru the sergury without depending on canes, walkers or a wheel chair. And I will be in pain. It will take months of grueling physical therapy if I could walk again. I am in severe physical pain every day. I have no choice......but my mind is not in the control of addiction from alcohol.

I take OTC meds because I am allergic to many pain meds that have morphine or opiates as well all many anti biotics. So if I get any type of infection in the left hip ie: replaced again I may have to choose between having the hip implant prothesis removed forever and no hip joint at all in my left hip. My right hip is 15 years old and needs replacing so I am in pain all the time, metal rubs on the ball joint bone. I face heavy metal poisoning if I do not have the left hip replaced due to metal rubbing metal & fraying into my blood stream and soft tissue every day. I will stop here......the pain the madness of arthritis never goes away. 

So u have a choice to be healthy sober and clean,..addiction that controls UR mind but u still have that choice...... I DO NOT have that choice and to top it all off my son is a black out drunk as his condition has deteriorated . So what do you think that stress does to my illness.  My hands are curled up from PSORIATIC arthritis last yr when my son was on life support my hands curled and r now frozen.. That's what stress & alcohol has do to exaserbate my illness. This all is outta control I cannot control my illness.....nor can the alcoholic with the madness of addiction.

What choice do YOU have to get sober and stay sober. At least You have a choice go to fine help. I can not find help  I DONOT....have that luxury.

i sincerely you you make the right choice reach out for help and find sobriety and stay clean and sober get thru the madness. Alcohol in a way controls the mind UR trapped as lond as u drink. Trapped sick and feeling anxiety which snowballs over and over.

U can find  a clinic at least give it a try find what ever is right for you. Get back your life that Alcohol has stolen from YOU! "NOT ONE MORE DRINK" ! I can never get back my life!

HOPE

 

Larry...

where the Heck r you ??????

we are worried? Binge drinking can cause many problems. At least let us know u r OK!

GETTING help sometimes I a huge step and there r a lot of ways u can find help.

i hope u did and r doing better???????????????

Hey thanks for the advice and sorry to hear you’ve endured so much i hope things improve for you and you get better. It does kind of put things into perspective for me and a warning of possible things to come if one continues upon path of self destruction.

Yes i had been doing ok thanks!  Had 10 tens days off.  Most i’ve been able to manage for 2 years which is minor but significant victory! I hear you and know what you mean. Its is twisted and will take away everything from me eventually. I am trying to practice been grateful for the things and appreciate each day.

 Last night i got bit stressed and my head was making lots of excuses and i let that thought get in my mind ‘who cares’ and choose easy way out. I slowed the evening down and didn’t drink too much but one of my last 2 remaining friends that i went out with thinks i might have a personality disorder as i was incredibly hostile and i would say crazy towards them. One actually said can’t forgive some of the words i said.  As you correctly say, that fun person larry seems to vanish after a drink,  I am concerned about this vileness and horrible mad talk that is not me. I feel terrible today. I’m sick of saying sorry all time next day.  I guess it’s why they call it the demon drink brings out the worst.

I can’t seemed to be grown up about this or the serious nature of it as you pointed out. It’s like i’ stuck in some game, i’m trading gold for scrap, wasting everything, i don’t realise the gravity of the situation dispite having my fingers burned and stories such as yours.  Not in denial, as i’m been open and honest about it. I don’t under estimate the power of addiction as the road at first seems rosy but is on the way to hell. An ex policeman childhood friend of mine mentioned to me some time ago, i am deluding myself by pretending  a problem doen’t exist, your telling yourself what you wana hear, playing your own fiddle. He warned me that one day your will luck run dry, some event will happen, ie driving, fight, hospital, etc, that will change your life forever which there is no coming back from, there still a good chance for you, don’t throw it away.  We don’t talk anymore as he didn’t want anything like that in his life. fair enough.  I am my own worst enemy.  This proverbial devil sitting of my shoulder is gaining ground.  Sometimes wears my resolve down, 2 steps forward, 3 steps back, but i got  10 days in the bag and i know there are plenty of sober joyful months waiting.

Are you 'hope4cure' AA councillor of some kind, May i ask how old you and your son are btw? I hope his is doing better. 

Hey thanks for the advice and sorry to hear you’ve endured so much i hope things improve for you and you get better. It does kind of put things into perspective for me and a warning of possible things to come if one continues upon path of self destruction.

Yes i had been doing ok thanks!  Had 10 tens days off.  Most i’ve been able to manage for 2 years which is minor but significant victory! I hear you and know what you mean. Its is twisted and will take away everything from me eventually. I am trying to practice been grateful for the things and appreciate each day.

 Last night i got bit stressed and my head was making lots of excuses and i let that thought get in my mind ‘who cares’ and choose easy way out. I slowed the evening down and didn’t drink too much but one of my last 2 remaining friends that i went out with thinks i might have a personality disorder as i was incredibly hostile and i would say crazy towards them. One actually said can’t forgive some of the words i said.  As you correctly say, that fun person larry seems to vanish after a drink,  I am concerned about this vileness and horrible mad talk that is not me. I feel terrible today. I’m sick of saying sorry all time next day.  I guess it’s why they call it the demon drink brings out the worst.

I can’t seemed to be grown up about this or the serious nature of it as you pointed out. It’s like i’ stuck in some game, i’m trading gold for scrap, wasting everything, i don’t realise the gravity of the situation dispite having my fingers burned and stories such as yours.  Not in denial, as i’m been open and honest about it. I don’t under estimate the power of addiction as the road at first seems rosy but is on the way to hell. An ex policeman childhood friend of mine mentioned to me some time ago, i am deluding myself by pretending  a problem doen’t exist, your telling yourself what you wana hear, playing your own fiddle. He warned me that one day your will luck run dry, some event will happen, ie driving, fight, hospital, etc, that will change your life forever which there is no coming back from, there still a good chance for you, don’t throw it away.  We don’t talk anymore as he didn’t want anything like that in his life. fair enough.  I am my own worst enemy.  This proverbial devil sitting of my shoulder is gaining ground.  Sometimes wears my resolve down, 2 steps forward, 3 steps back, but i got  10 days in the bag and i know there are plenty of sober joyful months waiting.

Are you 'hope4cure' AA councillor of some kind, May i ask how old you and your son are btw? I hope his is doing better. 

Thanks. i written below!

Larry, it doesn't sound to me like you have a personality disorder. Those who do are either totally unconcerned if they hurt other people or so inadequate that they can't help being 100% self-centred. The fact that you consider how you hurt others and apologise for it tells me that you are not like that at all.

You have overcome the first hurdle by recognising that you have a problem. You are not blaming other people, you are taking responsibility, yourself. You DO realise the gravity of the situation, you just don't know how to fix it. You need to find some support from any of the various places it is available, and on here, of course.

I would also suggest that the friends who may be keeping away from you will happily choose your company again if you can get rid of the drink and its associated problems. Be honest with people, tell them you know what has caused you to change and that you are working on it. Bit then make sure that you do work on it, or they may be reluctant to let things go again next time.

Hello Larry,

Thank you so much for getting back to me. I am very relieved to hear from you. How lovely to hear UR concern for my health and my son. Thank u for UR concern it means a lot to me. Posting to you is what keeps me going. To help u stay sober for one day is a gift that I will happily take. It's one day one hour at a time....I have been honest with u when I asked u to PLZ let us know how u r. I have seen the worst of the angry .. Belligerent...and blackout behaviors of alcohol, more than my heart could ever take. I am very concerned about you. U r a very bright, kind,articulate,talented man. I can tell by the way u write UR posts and I know u can live a better life. What do u do?? 

I know u will are a fighter. It's too much sometimes ... Those are the times that the bigger thing to do is to ask for help. Go for professional help they will help u understand why u r drinking and how the vicious cycle of addiction can be broken.

I love my son who is 39, & been drinking since a teen. My son has 4 brothers who have not unlocked the key to understanding addiction and the disease of alcoholism. They beleive it is a weakness not a disease. I have helped put my son many, many times thru alcohol treatment .

He knows how to manipulate the system and gets kicked out or he walks out. If the judge gives him a choice between 18 months in jail or a treatment center, he takes jail. Because he knows he will be out with good behavior in 6 months rather than a year of treatment. 

He is the kindest most gentle young Man U would ever meet. Before the madness took over. He had a quick wit and a natural at making people laugh. He is bright & he is a wiz on computers,picks up anything quickly. He loves construction and ran his own business. He was a functional drinker and was very successful. 

During that time his drinking became so out of control about late twenties...began to have DUI's , lost his drivers liscence...he lost his business after a long bout of binge drinking & no eating, 8 years ago he almost died. For weeks we did not know where he was. Now after so many years of alcoholism he has bi-polar disorder/ paranoid, PTSD and character disorders caused by alcohol that shrinks the brain and brain cells die and the only patterns alcohol has left him mentally impaired. 

 All the cops see is the alcoholic. They are cruel and mistreat him they don't see the mental illness. He is treated worse than a dog. At least a stray gets a warm meal,medical attention and shelter. An alcoholic is not even given a simple meal. 

I am 65, and the whole family has no more interest in him. They DO NOT understand the mind of a alcoholic, or how the brain & the feel good pathways are now trained to crave that feeling over and over. Until it takes  more and more drinks to self medicate to keep the addiction transmitters quiet. The alcohol has left him powerless until he passes out. He will crawl under homes to sleep it off to keep from being found and beat by the police.

Both his hands are crushed from being slammed thru a plate glass store window. It took 2 days before the police got him to the dr. The tendons and ligaments were cut and torn. He works with his Hands and alcohol robbed him of his profession. His back was broken after a police car hit him while he was running from the police.  Anxiety and PTSD ( developed from alcohol) he panicked and ran.  He has been thru so many awfully incredibly unbelievable encounters with police and drunken fights, poisoned , and left for dead. And he still drinks!  

He was a handsome beautiful spirit full of life and love and a passion for his work. That has all been stolen from him by alcohol. He is not that man any more, he is still my beloved son. He now is a total stranger living like an animal. I don't even recognize him. Sometimes he lives on the streets or sometimes he will manipulate someone with a sad story. Especially young women, who take him in thinking they can help him if they love him enough and give him a home he will change. These young women ( are enablers who are functional drinkers themselves,  from nurses to lawyers), end up fighting for their lives just trying to find a way to evict him from their homes. 

After many years of this lifestyle he has a lot of practice at what works and gets him into their unsuspecting lives and thru the door. Most are young divorced women he becomes envolved with...many with young children, who get in the middle of the ugly drunken abuse between the drunken adults.

Usually these women do not understand the alcoholic or the con artist..... Have battled alcoholism themselves. They use him to fix their homes & cars & he uses them for shelter, food and sex...the rest of the time he is usually in jail. It's a half and half yearly life ...1/2 in jail 1/2 in abusive situations he creates. He hides from those who want to help him and hurts those who love him the most. All for a drink to feed the addiction that drives the mind and everyone around him thru hell.

He is now in the 3rd stage of kidney disease and fatty liver... I cry myself to sleep every night. I feel his pain and tortured soul, spirit and body. My heart breakes for his pain that cannot set him free. He has been thru unconsinable, unimaginable things. Alcohol has taken his values, his business, lifestyle and his self respect, and I know someday before his time,it will take his life.

I am not a trained counselor as Paul Turner. He has many programs that can help you. He is a professional and has helped so many find sobriety. Won't you give him a call????? 

I hope u can talk to UR doc and ask for meds that will help block the brains demands for alcohol. U r undeniably at the beckon call of addiction. That addiction has the power to kill you. I don't want to see another life lost. It breaks my heart knowing the struggles you have faced through UR journey with alcohol. No one ever wants to feel that kind of pain ...EVER!  PLZ feel free To ck with UR doc about the many medications that can help u thru the tough times and Break those thoughts of cravings. Call Paul or any counselor. Their experience may open the doors u need. They have heard and seen it all.  It won't hurt to just talk. Sometimes that talk helps give peace for reconciliation with our selves & the power of those who give their lives and devotion to help those who are caught up in addiction. At the very least maybe a clear and precise vision for a plan to give u the peace from alcohol u deserve could be realized!

As you have said UR clean and sober for a few weeks that's a big deal and as u have demonstrated the devil - the addiction - the brain -the alcohol that powers the Neuro transmitters - that control to the feel good pattern of cravings , which begin to chip away at u, until u give in. 

 I'm sure u are aware that there are many medications designed to reduce the temptation demands in the brain that drives the Neuro transmitters & are redirected, making it just a little easier to avoid a slip. Many people have found these drugs to be a life savor. UR doc can best direct u. He knows UR history and I would be willing to guess that u have a lot of anxiety. 

Larry I would also be willing to bet that it's the anxiety u have which is the motor that drives the addiction. Meds that can help with anxiety are extremely helpful. In today's world with all the pressures and stress everyone has some anxiety. Others may have additional issues with seratonin levels in the brain that drives the anxiety which create anxiety attacks and panic attacks. This is generally a chemical imbalance in the brain. Most alcoholics use alcohol to self medicate. This in turn is feeding the constant cravings for the disease while alcohol has calmed the anxiety which created the beast and the madness all at the same time.

I do care about u maintaining sobriety. I am genuinely concerned .I want to be here for u and I know Paul Turner or a specialist in addiction can help give u UR life back.

All u need to do is ASK....

The day the alcoholic realizes that all adults are imperfect, he becomes  aware that they can be forgiven, he finds sobriety and becomes an adult with acceptance of his own imperfections, the day he forgives himself, he becomes wise and becomes his own best friend.

HOPE4CURE biggrin

Paul

I'm exactly the same when it comes to binge drinking and I need to stop. I went round a friends Sunday only intending to drink a couple but a couple turned into more and i cant remember leaving. My son saw me fall over which he found funny but i never want him to witness that again. My partner has had enough and i really need help. I don't want to stop just need control over it. Any ideas or tips please.

Yes Charlotte, The Sinclair Method. Google it and I'll send you a link by private message. There was an article on this site but they removed it which means we can't just link to it without our posts having to be approved anymore.

Thank you Paul.