just want your opinion?

As a lot of you know my partner is in Scotland with my daughter and i plan to move over with them. 

He and i had a massive arguement on my 40th birthday which was on monday. Then followed more rowing on the phone with hanging up etc...This might sound like a small thing, he said the reason he did not send a card is because he and my daughter delibertley did not want to send one because of my drinking. I was so hurt by this, to be honest why would you go out of your way to point this out to someone on their birthday? To be fair i knew my day was going to be so rubbish anyway as it was spent on my own in a pretty bare house. Does it seem normal for him to have done this? I question myself so much right now. I know all the things about tough love and all that but if im being honest a card or something would have spurred me on to be a better person. Also shes only 8 is it normal to have conversations like that with your child?

I was so hurt. I smashed every single plate in my kitchen, i to be honest i had just had enough.

My point is does this seem normal. He mentions that our Christmas was ruined because of me... I know that this is true. The thing is i am trying to think in the present and just move on from the past. Think a little forward as well, how am i meant to do this when its constantly thrown at me. I so regret many things that i have done due to drinking, but what can i do other than make now/future better?

I am so tired of all this and lonely as hell. I would not wish this on my worst enemy.

 

Hi Sharon.

So sorry for what happened. It does seem mean to me to not send a card especially for a 40th birthday.

I'm not sure it's an appropriate punishment for a drinking problem (what is?!)

People who don't have addictions seem to find it hard to understand why someone can't control themselves, this has been the hardest thing for me to deal with. People just say well stop drinmingb if you drink too much... like it's that easy.

My daughter is 11 and I would be angry If my partner had had conversations with her about my drinking, altho I have discussed briefly with her about alcohol and how it's not good for you. I hope when she grows up she will forgive me for all the lost time I could have spent with her while drunk or hungover.

Have you managed to get any help from a doctor or anywhere else ?

Being alone is very difficult.

Oh dear....I am so sorry to hear this. I think it was very unkind of him to deliberately not send a card for your 40th, especially as you are obviously trying to move on to a better place and rejoin them. He could at least have got your daughter to send one to you from her...at the least. I guess he has had to talk to your 8 year old about your drinking in some form as it will also have affected her. However he shou,d not have discussed it with her in reference to sending a card or not. He should have encouraged her to show love, forgiveness and basic good manners.

Ok so now you have a choice.....to forgive yourself and move forward. Think of your daughter above all else. Continue to heal and give up the drinking with her as your main focus. Relationships take time to heal and grow. If I were you I'd do everything in my power to reconcile and reunite with your partner and daughter in Scotland. That is the first major step in ensuring your healed, long term relationship with your daughter.....you will be in a better position to cope with what lies ahead. At the worst if things don't work out with your partner you will be in a better position re your daughter. If you stay off the drinking then he will not have any more rights over her than you. I can't remember if you say you are trying medication or not. My advice is go to AA or start medication OR both. Contact JoannaC3Europe if you haven't already done so. 

It is your future and your health that is most important....it is so easy for others to knock you back; equally because we are 'raw...emotions etc' we take offence easily too. 

As hard as it is and will be it is up to you (us) to be the bigger person and persevere in order to attain that better life. Go girl!! You can do it! Think of your daughter above all the crap.

Let us know how things progress. Xx💕

I attend an addictions clinic around every two weeks and a womens alcohol group. If i being really honest the group helps for compnay but thats about it, its similar to AA but not quite that full on, we just talk about how things are basically. The addictions clinic is ok but not sure if its really helping to be honest. But still going to go.

I just felt so hurt that on that day of all days he had to even tell me that was the reason why...sorry i would have been so happy to have seen something in the post. He texted me to say that i was just feeling sorry for myself and that i deserved it. I honestly dont know what to do at times. 

He doesnt quite get how alone i am right now. Maybe it does sound like i always feel sorry for myself but right now other than this forum and talking to him/kids on the phone thats it. Its now been 7 weeks since they left... God it has to be better than this eh?! Cant get much worse.

How are things going with you? Hope you are well. It might have seemed like a strange discussion i just wanted to ask as i do question myself so much right now.

 

I think your right if im being honest. If it had been the other way around and he had a problem i would never have encouraged not sending card etc... and i wouldnt have went out of my way to point this out. Just wanted to make sure i wasnt going mad. I need to go and buy some plates sad

Very hard time right now and i can not say enough how much the support on here means to me.... We all have our journeys and this one is clearly mine, just want it to move on. Obviously its only me that can make that happen, i do get that. Thanks as always Sharon. 

Alcohol Use Disorder is a disorder that affects not only the drinker, but immediately loved ones too.

Not only do you need support, but so does your partner.

We are human and an instinctive reaction is (rightly or wrongly) to 'hit back' figuratively speaking in response to hurt and/or anger.  Your partner is either trying to tough love you to get you to take action and see it through, or he is simply reacting to the hurt and disruption by doing something that hurts you.  As with divorce, and other things, children often get dragged into it, too.  He is most likely feeling extremely angry and confused about the situation, and is lashing out - not because he actually means it, but more because he feels powerless about it all, and because he feels angry that he has been put in this situation to begin with.

I have seen this type of thing often and it's not until both parties get the support (emotional and practical) that things begin to improve.  And things take time too....  it's not much good you telling him that you are trying right now because only time provides the evidence of that.

Both of you need support to deal with the situation.  My suggestion would be to ask him to read a brilliant book called Beyond Addiction by J Foote which is specifically for loved ones of drinkers.

As much as you have a right to your feelings and emotions and desire to move on, he also has a right to his feelings and emotions.  These can't just be swept under the carpet because you don't wish to feel them.  He is justified to feel anger and hurt and disappointment, hence why he needs support too.  You both need to face these uncomfortable situations head on and acknowledge each others feelings and hurt.

These need to be worked through, and you can't just wish him to want to move on.  Moving forwards happens when both people are able to do so, and if that is difficult for you to do together, then there is no shame in having a third party help you channel the emotional side of this more constructively.

I have in the past suggested that he also sought some kind of help, he wont entertain it. I totally agree with what you have said. I am just worried that rather than being a little more positive towards my daughter about the situation that it yet again all comes down to the past rather than moving forward. You have to understand its an unusual situation in the sence that if i was even just living closer to them i would be able to see her and let her know that i am moving on etc love her, do things together etc... right now she is miles away and its not that easy to just jump on a ferry and see them anytime i/we like. I do know what you mean though. I am just not sure if having conversations like that with her is that healthy for any of us. Surely we should all be just trying to move forward? 

Thanks for the reply, what you say is true as always Joanna

It's a very sad situation yes.  I am sure that when 100% of people get married, they would never imagine a situation where kids would be used as pawns in divorces, but it still happens.  Kids are taken by one partner, influenced, and then access denied.  Emotional responses are mostly not as rational as we would like them to be.

If things are not progressing forwards as weeks/months progress, then you have planted the seed for support in his mind, and at least you can refer back to the fact because in the end, he might need to.  Hopefully, the two of you can work it out together, but sometimes the hurt is just too deep (on one, or both sides).

Until then, I feel you are going to have to try deal with the situation the best you can.  Be sensitive to his feelings, allow him to 'air' what he needs to air because nothing is likely to move forwards until he has got all of this out of him. 

It's not rational, it's not the way it should be in an ideal world - but it is what it is.  Your role is not to clash with him, but to allow him to try and get all this hurt and anger out. 

Please don't think I am siding with him, because I am not siding with any of you.  I just wished to get across the fact that two people are badly hurting and are justified in their hurt.  And until the hurt settles, progress is going to be bumpy at best.

Thank you as always, i think what you have said is true. It is hard for both of us. You have many words of wisdom x

Happy belated birthday! And assuming you didn't drink over this congratulations.

​Its really hard when we decide to get sober and get over the past and others do not really believe that there has been a change.

Plus your family is far away and they can not see how you are living now on a daily basis. 

​Time is the four letter word of sobriety. It is going to take a consistent amount of time of you being sober before anyone is able to believe that there has been a change.

​Is there anyway to plan a vist with your daughter in the near future? I think that her seeing you and seeing that you are well would help your situation going forward.

​If it is not possible to visit her in person...the computers are set up now that you could arrange a "face time" with her consistently to talk about HER day and HER new life where she is living.

​Alcoholics make it all about them all the time which is another unspoken reason of anger from family members. I know from experience that my family didn't even realize why they were so mad at me...they were mad at me because I was absorbed in my problems and my drinking and never really took the time to understand what was going on with them.

 

Hey Missy,

There is lots going on with all of us right now. I do get that. Like i said to Joanna he wont even enterain any kind of help that way. I woory because they are so far away that she will forget all the ggod things we done and times we had. The card thing, to be honest i do not think he should have done that. However, i know what he can be like and i suppose we can not turn back the clock just move on. So very, very tired of the whole thing to be honest. In so many ways.

How have you been? Havent heard from you in a while...?

sorry for the bad spelling by the way smile

Hi hun, thought things were not so good after your birthday.  I am so sorry.

I would agree that the card issue was wrong - children should really not be brought into this scenario (I know my child was and now I have not see her in 20 years) but there were big issues with her dad not me.

Yes I do think you can regain their trust and love - and of all the posts on here, I would support Joanna all the way - such a sound way of explaining what you must do to get back those you love. 

For him to do this is surely meaning he is truly hurting and protecting his young - do what Joanna says and conquer it once and for all.

Bless hun x

Hi Sharon

Ive been in two minds about replying, not saying anything is the easy option. However, having been in a relationship where alcohol has affected not just the drinker, but the extended family too, I've decided to add my bit, although some may not like it.

Whilst I've always liked a drink and had a high tolerance level, my drinking got worse, promises were made by me, things improved, then a couple of months later another binge and this went on for several years.

Alcohol was a great friend to me, during a difficult time and I used it as a prop (not a good idea) but it kept me going.

My children were about 5, 7, & 9, my husband was working in the Middle East, my mother in law was undergoing chemotherapy and radiotherapy daily which I took her too. My mum was loosing her sight rapidly and also lived alone.

At the same time, I'd gone back to uni to finish a degree I started after leaving school, and I was also working 3 nights a week 8pm to 8am. Just writing this now has made me see how mad the situation was, no-one could cope like that without something major happening.

It would take days to write this part of my life, but wanted you to know that a volatile and toxic marriage with three kids, can be overcome. My husband came back here to work on less than half what he was earning, we sold the big house and flash cars and the kids went to state schools. The fancy two to three holidays a year stopped, but we had a family.

It was the birthday card in your post which struck a particular chord. My binge drinking was getting worse. Nobody knew what state I'd be in when they came home. I did alsorts of crazy things, booked myself into 5 star hotels, spent huge amounts of money we didn't have, life was a complete mess.

It was my birthday, I'd just finished yet another binge a couple of days before. I went downstairs, fully expecting the kids and hubby waiting with presents and cards ( why on earth should they?) eventually I said " have you all forgotten what day it is?), I can still see my husbands face now, he just shook his head and said "my god, you're priceless aren't you?)

That was the shock I needed, I sat down and realised what I'd thrown away for the sake of getting wasted and hoping all my troubles would go away. As a couple we'd grown so far apart, the kids knew I was unreliable. They never wanted friends round, well who could blame them.

However OH and I talked and talked like never before, all my resentment over him working abroad came out. He hated having to sell his dream home with no mortgage. We both agreed we had something worth fighting for. The drinking stopped during the week, but we both drank at weekends. We went to Relate for marriage guidance counselling, took things very slowly, but above all we learned to talk.

Trust took a lot longer, it has to be earned, there's no overnight fix for that. Small things to start with. He no longer questioned why I was going to the off licence at 9pm for cigerattes. He no longer looked in my hiding places, I encouraged him to do so, as I knew there was nothing to hide.

Obviously, there's loads more I could have said, but the main point is that marriage isn't easy, you have to work hard sometimes, not just one person, but as a couple. If you want something badly enough you fight for it. It's bxxxxy hard at times and there were many times we discovered years later where we both could have walked out. I definitely think that we both put so much effort in firstly because of the kids. They needed stability, and I'd love to say we didn't affect them, but we did. They shouldn't have to lie awake listening to their mum saying I want a xxxxxx drink so I'll walk and get one.

The counselling was good in the end, it was the last chance for our marriage and we both took it. I've just showed OH this discussion, and he said, "you went on and on for days about not having a card from me and the kids, would you have preferred a fancy flowery one full of platitudes and words which at the time meant nothing. I didn't know whether or not I still loved you, so why the hell would I have got you a card?

I do hope Sharon that I've not upset you, but I've said how it was, no point in sugar coating it. We will have been married 38 years in October. Not all easy. When I've got my two grandsons, that's something else I had to fight for, birthday cards mean nothing, actions speak louder than words.

I do hope you can sort something out. OH has just made a valid point and not one I'd thought of. AUD is an illness, it's not as simple of saying I won't drink again. He had to learn about it and accept that yes ok, I bought it and drank it, but it's not as clear cut as some people think. He also accepts that leaving me with our  kids, me looking after his mum and mine. Working nights ( I paid my neighbours daughter who stayed the night at mine) and doing a degree was too much for any one person to deal with.

keep posting and remember that things which seem lost and hopeless now can be mended. However it won't be easy, but if you both want it badly enough and are prepared to fight for it, all isn't lost.

good luck, keep posting. Don't give in and drink (easier said than done, I know), all that will do is give him more amunition 

 

Your honesty is amazing to say the least and i thank you for that. It can not have been easy writing all of that. A lot of what you say about your past sounds so familiar. With him and the kids and me... we have all been effected and i do know that. It sounds so terrible after everything thats happened to maybe make such a big deal about a card. In terms of fighting for it, i would do anything to be with them and to have a better life. They mean the world to me.It is hard though because i know that Ethan can not come with me. I still need to discuss this with him.

 I know in myself that a lot of work has to be done in terms of building up trust and for them to let go of any resentment. I can also relate to you when you say that the kids didnt want to bring aound friends. Ethan hasnt stayed with me for weeks now. They are both in Scotland. It really could not be much worse. 

It sounds to me like you drank a lot to fill the void when your husband was away so much, which must have been so hard.

I in a way am the same. He and i worked from home but he would have been away a lot sourcing stock etc and to be honest i was lonley and tired most of the time. Then my father died and there was a lot going on with that.. my aunts and cousins stole from him in his last days, were talking thousands of pounds. I always knew that somthing was wrong and didnt trust them, my own mother included.

So the drinking wasnt always as bad as it became, it started getting earlier and earlier. Instead of waiting until 5 for the glass of wine i started cooking tea 3 and 4 pm. One bottle never enough. Then after many, many rows and talks with me promising to give up i found that i just couldnt. Thats when i started to hide it and then moved on to vodka. Piles of times that i have made a complete t't of myself, sank into dark depressions. More rows and more fighting. The kids did hear quite a lot of this. Somehow we all stayed together because in the end I know we all love eachother deeply. I have said before in other discussions that my partner really is the love of my life. I could never feel the same way about anyone. He and i do love eachother but i know that at times we can be very full on. But thats just us. There is lots more i could say too but i am the same and would be writing a whole book.

Your story has come so far and you inspire me in so many ways...your husband and you clearly have come through so much and love each other. 

I know at times it might not seem like i am getting very far. But would honestly do anything for them. Whats hard right now is that it seems to be never ending and two of the people i love most in the world are so far away. My son is closer but also hurt by everything that has went on, i also know he can not come with me when i do go so thats hard. Anyway. you are brilliant for sharing so much with me. It really means a lot. Must have been so weird for you writing the words. I am always here for you too if you need anything. You have done so well with your family to get to where you are today xxx

Oh boy Vicks, I have just read this with my morning cuppa !  You have really laid it bare and your OH input is great.

It makes extremely sad reading, but rightly so.  You, without doubt, had far too much on.  I think the strongest of women would have buckled under it all.

Family is soo important; I also had a toxic marriage for many many years and wanted out but did not have the bottle to leave, so took to the bottle instead.  Not on the scale it ended up now and thus joining Patient but, nevertheless, I took to it to dull my life and effect our troubled marriage had on our daughter.  She eventually left due to never getting on with her father and, as a consequence, I was not invited to her wedding (my father gave her away) and that was 20 years ago; 4 grandchildren later and I have still not seen her (or them).

I think about her every day and have tried many times to re-connect.

My advice to sharon is like yours.  Family means EVERYTHING and when you don't have it like I don't, it is meaningless and that is when the "what is the point" voices appear. 

Sharon, I so hope you read these posts.  Vicks post is heartfelt and brutally honest.  Please please do not let alcohol tear your family apart, they are the loves of your life.  Please try the hardest you have ever tried for anything to gain control.  If TSM is the way for you - grab it.

Always around for a chat guys - keep in touch Sharon and thank you Vickylou for a soulfull and honest post.

G.

Hey, Havent heard from you in while Gwen. Hope things are good with you? Your right, the worst birthday ever in my life to be honest. But maybe i did deserve it. I just want things to start moving on...right now it feels like the same c==p everyday on my own. Vicky lou said many words earlier that rang true. I think im over the card thing, just need to move on. My partner and i are talking again and maybe somehow, someday this will all be in the past. 

Yes I'm fine - I so hope this will be in the past soon hunni - I look forward to you saying you are moving to Scotland for a new life smile xx

Hi again sharon

I've been pondering over your situation from time to time and I keep coming back to the same question.

MEDICATION  have you discussed with your partner the options available (not easily available sometimes, I admit).

I am sure either me or another member has suggested it, but I don't think you've referred back to it.

If you're prepared to do anything to get your relationship to work, why not look into either TSM (plenty of people here are doing well with it.)  As I've said before campral has good results when taken properly.

It may turn out that your partner realises how serious you are about giving up alcohol and that you've made positive steps in order to achieve this.

Its obviously your choice at the end of the day, but actions speak louder than words. Words are easy, promises are made and broken. I don't want to upset you, but you may be running out  of options here.

If there are medical reasons for not wanting to try medication, then that's totally different. I seriously think you should have a discussion with your partner about using meds to help kick start your relationship back to life, and also go someway to prove your commitment. What have you got to loose.

I did go to AA for a short while, but it wasn't for me, although people worldwide find it very helpful.

​All I'm trying to say is, "don't knock it till you've tried it"