Hola, estuve en este sitio el año pasado, pero en el foro de reemplazo de rodilla, y fue tan útil que pensé en volver y ver si puedo obtener algunos consejos con los problemas de la menopausia ahora. Tuve una histerectomía hace 8 años y he estado luchando con los síntomas desde entonces. Tengo sofocos, cambios de humor y dolores articulares. No quería tomar terapia hormonal porque perdí a mi madre poco después de mi histerectomía debido al cáncer de mama, que le dijeron que fue causado por la terapia hormonal que había estado tomando. Ella comenzó la terapia hormonal nueve años antes y el cáncer apareció unos ocho meses después de que empezara a tomarla. Pero después de ver a varios consultores, me dijeron que, debido a la cantidad de tiempo que mi madre estuvo tomando la terapia hormonal, era poco probable que fuera la causa. Después de casi 8 años de preocuparme por esto, ya no podía soportarlo más. Los sofocos y los cambios de humor son una cosa, pero los dolores articulares son tan debilitantes. Al principio dijeron que era fibromialgia, pero después de 5 años descartaron esa posibilidad, principalmente porque tengo osteoartritis en las rodillas, por lo que me hice el reemplazo parcial de rodilla en ambas piernas. Recientemente me hicieron radiografías en la parte superior del cuerpo buscando lo mismo, pero no encontraron nada, por lo que ahora dicen que es causado por la menopausia. Actualmente estoy tomando 1 mg de climaval, y llevo tres semanas sin ver cambios. ¿Alguien más lo está tomando para los dolores articulares? ¿Necesito aumentar la dosis? Tenía muchas esperanzas de que funcionara, estoy aterrada de terminar como mi madre, ya puedo escucharla diciendo: "Te lo dije". Pero al mismo tiempo, no duermo, tengo unas rodillas estupendas ahora, pero caminar con los perros en el frío me mata la parte superior del cuerpo. Solo quiero recuperar mi vida. 😩 Agradecería mucho su opinión.
Hi Mandy
Sorry to hear about your mum, I couldnt go on HRT due to their being breast cancer in my immediate family, however, it was actually the menopause, that in part, caused my sisters breast cancer, during peri our bodies, prodcue tons of hormones, to try and compensate for the drop, it cant keep it up because of shrivelling ovaries, so, we eventually stop our periods.
There are many forms of breast cancer, but the most common one is caused when all these hormones go through our body, and there are so many in the early days of peri, that some can slip through on fat cells into the breast, so, firstly it depends on how receptive our body is to this happening, and unfortunately my family member was 95% positive for being receptive, to this happening, and when the hormones slip through, given time, the hormone on the fat cell is at risk of becoming cancerous, you start off developing a pre cancerous cell, that will either, develop into a tumour, or, it wont, drs dont know why in some people it does, and some it doesnt, thats just down to our individual bodies isnt it?? this type of cancer is the type that can also happen to younger girls, as the hormones get travel through in the same way during time of the month when hormones are at their highest level, once there, the CAN grow. but this is why, it is more common during menopause, due to their being so many hormones in the system. I am very suprised they have allowed you on HRT, it has to be in your immediate family which, in your case and mine it is. Eventhough in your case, it wasnt the HRT that caused it, you are still classed as high risk!! however, you could say to your GP, given what happened to your mum, whilst your now on HRT could you have a yearly mammograme, that will give you the heads up just incase, and i would have thought settled your mind!!
I have chronic fatgue due to a malfunctioning nervous system, it comes with fibromaylga, the two normally come together, the difference between osteo and fibro, which i also have, is, fibro arhtritis is more muscles and tissues, whereas, osteo is bones, and the reason we have more creaking aching joints, during menopause is, hormones cause us to lose cortisol, and cortisol keeps our joints supple, so your osteo will be worse during this time, and thats apart from what loss of calcium can cause.
Drink plenty of fresh water, 2/3 ltres per day max, stay off caffine drinks, keep alchohol down to a minimum, eat little and often of high protein low unrefined arbs meals, keeping sugar down to a minimum also, avoiding highs and lows of sugar making symptoms worse, do relaxing breathing exercises to control stress levels, do gentle exercise, like swimming, gentle stretching exercises, and when you rest, dont read, watch tv, or, go on the computer, that is not complete rest, as this will cause mental fatigue making the physical fatigue worse also, get up early in the morning, pace yourself with your daily tasks, go to bed same time each night to avoid puting your body clock out, which, will cause deconditioning, this will make you feel weak and very fatigued, but avoid over exertion as this will make everything else worse, its a case of trial and error, and keeping everything as balanced as possible whilst you are going through this faze, it will get better, im post now and most of my symptoms have died down, to a easier to cope with state, hope this helps.................good luck Mandy xx
Hola, gracias por responder, la razón por la que me dijeron que podía ir a la terapia hormonal fue porque la edad de mi madre cuando le diagnosticaron cáncer por primera vez, 58 años. Y mi edad ahora, 54 años. Al parecer eso significa que no es genético. Sí que como bien, es decir, muy sensatamente, todo integral, pescado, muy poca carne roja, casi nada procesado. Nado semanalmente, cuido mi peso, camino, bebo infusiones. Espero que puedan aumentar mi dosis a 2 mg y quizá eso funcione. Realmente no sé por qué ha empeorado tanto en este momento. Es tan deprimente.
Mandy, hi because I am overweight, prone to breast cysts, I refuse absolutely to take ANY pharmacueticals for menopause, I use only homeopathics. I do have joint pain seriously and even tendonitis from an old injury, however, here is what I do, I use omega oils, evening primrose, I use tummeric, ginger, and natural anti inflammatories. I will be blunt, these have not eliminated the joint pain or the swelling. But, it has helped, I worry about HRT's too much, I also have found that black cohosh works better too for the hot flashes which often comes with the joint pain and chest swelling.
Hola, entiendo completamente de dónde vienes, y por eso no había hablado hasta ahora. Tras dos cirugías de rodilla y una de mandíbula el año pasado, el resto de mis dolores articulares, sofocos y cambios de humor fueron demasiado. La THS se ha convertido en un último recurso. Todo lo que has mencionado, ya lo he intentado, pero no hizo la más mínima diferencia. No tengo hinchazón, así que supongo que eso es algo bueno,
Mandy, I understand and I do not judge anyone for doing what they feel they have to do. And, as I said the homeopathics are not like pharma they take a LONG time to be effective and frankly they are not always efficient, as I said I am a long way from symtom free, I suspect there is some sort of arthritis, rhumatodial issues going on with me because of the swelling, not really sure. I think my main concerns for ME is this, a obesity already is a risk factor for many problems particularly breast cancer, second of all while it doesnt run in my family, the cysts do, and third being in menpause is a risk factor too as Elaine said, so I put all that together and just have said I will deal with it, but again everyone's situaiton, and pain thresh hold is different. It takes a lot of pain for me to resort to even going to the doctor and I am leery of all pharma mainly because most of it has significant side effects even if they hit years later. My boss had breast cancer several years ago, the chemo they used actually caused her current stage 4 lung cancer. I am NOT saying she should not have used chemo, but its an example of how the drugs out there lead to or possibly lead to more significant problems. But, with all that said, I hope its helping you.
Entiendo lo que quieres decir, la segunda vez que el cáncer de mi madre volvió, fue porque solían dejar un marcador (es decir, un pequeño fragmento del cáncer en los ganglios linfáticos de Lyme) para que supieran dónde estaba la última vez o algo así, y eso fue lo que volvió y la mató. Ahora no lo hacen. La terapia hormonal que me recetaron ahora no está funcionando, así que querrán aumentarla, me preocupa mucho, pero mi vida es un desastre la mayor parte del tiempo, estoy tomando tantos analgésicos que odio tomar, tienen tantos efectos secundarios como acabas de decir, pero sin ellos apenas puedo salir de la cama. ¿Qué hacemos? 🙄 Oh, volver a tener 21 años, 🤗
I totally agree I would love to step into a time machine and be young again. So much so, yes its hard to know with us as women what to do when all of this hits, I really hope the upped version helps you a lot. That was insane with your mother, I am so sorry to hear that, my mom has not had a mammogram since she was in her 50s she said the procedure caused her great pain, great anxiety, and worry, she is now almost 75 I dont know if that was a great decision she is still alive and really healthy but she had had them for years and said she would self examine. But, everyone has to do whats best for them and I hope it works out for you.
Hi mandy
You sound like your doing everything right, but due to fluctuating hormones, it wont always be perfect, even on the HRT you will still get some symptoms albeit milder, especially if your dosage isnt high enough, but i ncan understand your concerns in doing that.
I am 56, and my sister developed cancer aged 54 two years ago, it was of a non genetic type, directly caused by hormones, but it is thankfully, one of the easiest to treat, if caught early that is, but there is a risk of it coming back. As i am sure you know, you can get non genetic types, and were at risk from developing them at any age, its just rarer, the younger, or, much older we get, worst time is when were peri, and can carry on up until the 70s even though it is rare due to declining hormones, but too much of a decline can cause the cancer to flare up in other areas of the body instead of the breast, its the same for men, men are at risk of developing certain cancers, due to male menopause, either having too many early on, or, not enough later on, prostate being one of the most common, men can also get breast cancer as well, so, non of us can win can we!! we just have to stay positive, do everything we can to keep ourselves healthy and, fingers crossed, what else can you do, you cant worry your life away, you have to live your life.
Given it was your mum mandy, have they not suggested yearly mammogrames for you also, rather than every 5 years? do you live in England? ours are every 5 years from age 51 in the north west where i live, however, if, you have had cancer, then, you have them yearly until your follow up treatment ends, my sister has 3 years left on her treatment, has had 2 mammogrames so far, and in another 3 years her mammograme will go back to national guidlines for her area, every country and borough is different but here that is normally 5 years!
Best wishes Mandy.
Your oesteo like mine, will be bad due to colder weather, and its winter time in England, plus a menopause flare up will add to that, due to calcium dropping, in this case, you could try calcium with Vitamin D to absorb it in better, google your HRT, see if it can affect joints, cant see your drs giving you soemthing like that knowing you have osteo, but mistakes do happen!! it is up to us, to stay one step ahead of them dont leave it to the drs.
good luck mandy
hi lennie
Your right my hot flashes make my joint pain worse, i must try some ginger to calm that down. Even if Mandy, your osteo doesnt cause inflammatory probs, osteo can come with a tiny ellement of inflammation that yo may not be aware of, mine does, it can happen! but, being hot during menopause flare, that will affect your joints, especially if you have osteo it will trigger it i would have thought, defo be trying some ginger lennie!! love the stuff anyway/
Today was hellish.joint pain, arm pain, chest pain, really tough I drank coffee and I think that's the connection. I'm going to drink some ginger tea tonight.
Hi Lennie
Im assuming your not drinking Caffine,but if you are though switch to decaf coffee and tea, some say green tea is good, but thats more to get rid of toxins in the body, and your taking everything all natural, so i dont think green tea would help you, and your taking anti inflammatories as well. Know what you mean even about over the counter drugs as well, ibuprofen would be a bad one to take for pain, if your suffering with acid reflux, as it would definately make the stomach worse, i am not taking anything for my pain as its copeable, but i tell you what i have been using for my osteo, its that new product on the market called Voltorol, i found it extremely good for the pain, didnt think it would work as it goes onto the skin but it worked for me, the only things is, it is very expensive, what are you taking for aches and pain then??
Hi Elaine, like you I usually do not take anything at all, no tylenol, ibuprofen ect. However, yesterday I did take two tylenol P.M's and an aspirin, Thats how bad it was. Yes, the cofee I drank had caffine. I will not do that again. I usually use the tumeric for pain or a hot bath. I am going to see the Nurse Prac tomorrow. I will report on what happened. I am starting to think the chest issues are now digestive after all, I am paying closer attention and it does seem like its triggered after I eat. I will try the Voltorol, I am happy they did not delete your post. But, to answer your question, if the pain gets really bad I will take aspirin.
I am making tea now as I write this to you ,dandellion tea.
Do you remember when you were little, we use to vcall Dandelions Wee the beds.............. it didnt did it??.............whats it taste of?
it definitely makes you wee the bed! Its excellent for kidneys and the liver, with my diabetes I try to take good care of my kidneys. But, its very good for you. We had ugly weather so I see the N.P Thursday.
Just make sure then Lennie that you wee on your husbands side, before he gets in.................i hope hes the understanding type and doesnt mind doing that for you, its the least they could do................ha there are so many alternatives ive found to try since coming on this, I have probs with my sugar levels, i found it got worse during flares, have to be extra careful during this time.
Hey Mandy just want to tell you my experience on climaval. Full hysterectomy at age 41 went on climaval never felt better in my life, absolutely no side effects just felt wonderful. After 15 years my gp took me off them. Within months my bones all ached i felt tired and generally ill. Hospital diagnosed severe lack of calcium and vitamins and given supplements. Still felt unwell, went back to gp after 2 years and said can i please go back on it as i know my health has suffered since withdrawal. I know there is supposed to be risks long term but if you read up on it it is minimal. I am now 60 still on the climval, my bones no longer hurt or ache and i am very fit and healthy and plan to stay on it for as long as i can. Atill no side effects other than feeling good so my advice is go for it! Xxx