My Experience - 7 Weeks After Nhs Halo And Haemorrhoidectomy

I am a 49-year old male and had stage 3 piles for about 5 years. They never really caused me any pain or suffering per se but were an inconvenience. I had been to my GP ages ago to make sure it wasn't anything serious. Towards the end of 2009 I decided to see what options I might have for sorting them out as I figured I wouldn't want them to get worse and despite being fit and healthy and eating well, they had not gone away of my own accord.

I went to my GP and she did a digital exam and said they were very small - didn't seem like it to me - she said she could refer me if I wanted but I declined. A few weeks later I figured I was copping out and returned to get a referral. I went to see a consultant locally who got me to come back for banding. This was very easy and though it was a bit uncomfortable I was optimistic that it would sort it all out. It didn't - even though it seemed like it would work it in fact made no difference whatsoever. I returned to him and he said he would try the schlerotherapy and another banding as they were quite big and the portable banding machine wasn't up to it. Again nothing really changed.

I read all these forums and was in two minds like so many others whether to pursue it any more. After all I was not in pain per se and clearly some people have really awful experiences, sometimes made worse by the tteatment - I knew I certainly didn't want anything slicing off! I read up what I could about HALO but it seemed to be mainly sales pitch. I decided to see the consultant again and ask him about it. He said he didn't know anything about it but his next step would be banding under GA and he was confident that would do it.

For one reason or another I wasn't convinced and so I called the HALO people and found out where there was locally that did it. They also told me how much it would cost privately (?3k+) but that with a referral I could probably get it on the NHS. A few weeks later I had a session with a consultant who explained the whole thing - also diagnosing a polyp as well as piles - which would never have responded to banding so I was glad to have taken the 2nd opinion. Anyway he put me on the waiting list for a polyp exision and possible HALO.

Time came around in about 6 weeks and I went into hospital for the first time in my life to have day surgery. I was apprehensive but quite positive. The whole experience was very reassuring - the staff were great and I felt very cared for and the surgeon was friendly and explained things. I signed on the dotted line, had my pre-med and felt the curtains close

Woke up feeling fine about 30 mins later. The surgeon explained to my surprise and a bit of shock that they had had to cut a large pile off so I might have a longer recovery time than expected (he had said at least 2 weeks for HALO and up to 10 for pilectomy). That concerned me a bit, espceially when the nurse brought my meds to take home - 3 types of opioid painkiller, 2 types of laxative and some antibiotics. I got the impression they were trying to tell me something. I stayed about 2 hours to satisfy them I'd had a wee, eaten and drunk some fluids etc and got my wife to pick me up.

Felt pretty OK generally even with after effects of the GA - ate and drank lightly and feared the first pooh which came 2 days after the op. Uncomfortable certainly but not especially painful. The absolute best thing after each BM was a nice warm shower spray for a few minutes which really soothed the bruised feeling. This got better over the next 7 to 10 days. I work from home so was fortunate that I didn't need to take time off per se after the first day getting my head clearer but I wouldn't have wanted to have to commute or be away from home.

There were some bad bits but not what I would have expected. The worst bit by far, and it was _horrible_ was the antibiotic (metronidazole)- I had to take it for 5 days and didn't realise what a nasty drug it is (check it out on ****)- around day 3 I was finding alternate nights of complete insomnia, nausea, sweating and a really depressing state of mind feeling like I would never get better. I googled all the meds and realised it was the AB and that these were fairly common side-effects. If I had had a longer run of them I would have asked to change but I figured I would see them out. It was awful and I did have another day off cos I just felt so damn bad from them. My advice here - don't just take what is given to you and not check it out - be aware of what has been prescribed (in fairness they did say thatsome of the meds could give nausea, constipation etc but I didn't expect this one to be so heavy).

The other downside was the laxative - I should have had clearer instructions. You definitely want to make sure you have soft stools etc and are acutely aware that what you eat has to come out the other end - soups, bran flakes, porridge etc are great for this. However if you just take teh laxatives as prescribed - and you are not already constipated (I am always regular)- then they will just play havoc and have you very windy (which also seems to come from the GA gases) and farting all the time with a sore anus is quite painful/uncomfortable in itself (esp if you're not too sure what might be coming down the pipes!) It kept me awake a bit.

What I should have thought with the meds from teh starts is - take them /if/ needed (except see below)

So I had been prescribed metronidazole as mentioned - I took that for the 5 days. I had 3 painkillers - Tramadol which I didn't bother taking, Codrydamol, I took a couple but then didn't bother (and my wife used them all up on migraines!) and Diclofenac - this last one I should have taken all the time but didn't. It is an anti-inflammatory and because I didn't bother with it I think I put myself back a couple days with a very sore and inflamed bottom - so this one I would say take as a matter of course (and I didn't have any side effects). For laxatives I had lactulose syrup and ispagel husks - both are palatable enough but as above I realised after a coupe of days that I probably didn't need them.

All told I was not incapacitated at all. It took a good week to not be too worried about the next BM. After that it just was a process of it getting better every day. The main thing was that the prolapsing piles/polyp were gone and that was a great relief. Had a check up last week and I would say I now feel 100% down there and no concerns at all.

I am very pleased I went ahead with it - I had overcome embarrassment about it ages ago and plain speaking is all that is needed - my reticence had been around being \"operated\" on but that all went very smoothly. I know there are some horror stories on here where people say that the op is worse than the piles but I am sure that complications are in the minority and I would not hesitate in recommending anyone suffering and holding back, check out a good consultant and have it all sorted out. I was glad I had it sorted out when I was fit and in good shape - I think that plays a big part in making the op run smoothly and the caring for oneself that much easier. If was old, infirm or very overweight I think it would be harder. Weight wise I had lost nearly 3 stone over the last 18 months and again I think that helped keep recuperation short.

If, and I hope they don't, recur then I would happily go down the same route again. I hope this story helps others.

Mr Relieved of Surrey

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Hi.. I had my op yesterday and up until this evening the pain has been bearable. I have been given metronidazole and lactulose and told to take paracetamol and ibuprofen. I also have some diazepam if I need it.

I keep feeling like I need to do a poo every time I go for a wee. A little while ago I started to go and the pain

Was like nothing on earth, it made me want to be sick. I passed quite a lot of blood and just didn't know what

To do with myself and I didn't even go!!

I have been eating all the right foods and every hour or so having a little walk round but the pain is getting

Worse all the time. I know it's early days but I can't stand the thought of going thro this for the next however

Many weeks like other people on here.

Already I am beginning to wonder whether I've done the right thing by having the op.

The letter from Mr relieved of Surrey is the inky positive letter that I've read so far..

Any advice will be welcome.. I'm feeling desperate at the moment.

From Shaz

Hi Shaz, I hope you are feeling better now? I had my hemmorridectomy on 17th September and I am just starting to feel better nearly 4 weeks post op, I know its classed as "minor" surgery, I tell you the recovery feels anything but minor. I was discharged with metronidazole and oramorph for pain relief, the first night after the op I was in agony and the first bowel movement felt like I was being split in two! After a week I became severely constipated and even urinating was nee on impossible,my tummy was so sore and I looked 6 months pregnant, I was not sleeping and in constant agony, after 6 days I saw my G.P who was wonderful and prescribed movicol, enemas and suppositories which have really helped thank god! I have dramatically changed my diet, cut down on tea and coffee, having at least 2 pints of pure orange juice and water, increased fruit and veg and reduced dairy and white flour products, this has really really helped. I also have a small bath with salt in after every bowel movement,this bath has deffo become my best friend since the op! If I knew what I know now I dont think I would of had the op, although I may feel differently in another 8/10 weeks as I have been told this is the complete recovery period, I have been left with a small amount of leakage from my bottom but my G.P has reassured me that this is a very common side effect from this surgery and is only temporary. I would be interested in anyone else's story in having this surgery.

Hi grace,

I had to have another op yesterday as the pain was increasing instead of decreasing. The result was I had

A blockage, impacted faeces, 3 areas were bleeding, a fissure and muscle spasm.

I hope now that they have all been corrected and I have been cleared out that I will start to recover. My

Surgeon said that my poo must be soft but not runny, I must have a BM daily and not get constipated! That's

All easier said than done when my bowels seem to have a mind of their own. I have a laxido sachet every

Night but he said that as soon as my poo is soft enough I must regulate that to maybe half a sachet. One day it might be soft the next day hard so I will just have to see how it goes.

Right from the start I've been eating loads of fruit, drinking lots of water and green tea. I don't drink tea or

Coffee. I bought some bran from a health food shop and sprinkled it on my cereal but I'm sure that made

Things worse. I have had a wheat test and I'm not intolerant but the bran definitely caused me more problems. I know you have to add fibre gradually as that can cause you to get impacted, maybe that's what happened

To me, I don't know.

I just hope this second op sorts me out because I'm really tired of it all, I want to get back to work and to a

Normal life. I've been off work 7 and a half weeks already and nowhere near ready to go back as I feel I'm starting all over again.

I too wish I'd never had this op done , I'd rather of put up with the heammoroids !!

Mind you, my surgeon did tell me that other than all the things that had gone wrong the rest of it was healing well !!! I thought that was funny as there can't be much more left.

Anyway.. Keep in touch and let me know how your doing.

From Shaz

Hi Shaz,

I'm so sorry you have had to have more horrific surgery due to impaction,tears and muscle spasms, how devastating for you after already going through the hell of a hemmoroidectomy. I'm keeping everything crossed for you that now you will begin recovering and get your life back! I totally get that as I have chronic pain and have been on morphine for over four years so my constipation is mainly due to the morphine as it dehydrates the bowel so I cant win most of the time! My GP also said the stool should be soft and be easy to pass without straining and I have thankfully found that 45ml of lactlose in 3x15ml separate doses throughout the day 1x laxido sachet mid afternoon and 2x senna 7.5mg tablets at night are a good combination to have a daily soft BM. As well as a fibre and fluid rich diet. Avoid the bran for a couple of weeks and replace it with another high fibre food and see if this helps your bowels. Are you on painkillers post op? As they are well know for causing constipation, you cannot win as you cant be in pain but you need daily soft BM! I have never heard of the gel mentioned in the above posts, its sounds great but for you and I its too late for it. I have found a local anesthetic cream helpful to put on prior to a BM which my GP gave me, if your interested I can post the name of it for you? I am continuing to recover slowly thank God, my bottom is still sore and the leakage continues but I will mention it to my surgeon at my post op appointment so hoping he can tell me the score!

Hope your feeling a bit better today? Let me know how your doing.

Grace :-)

Hi Grace,

I would be very interested in the name of the local anesthetic cream your go prescribed. How many days are you post op now? I am day 6 and still in lots of pain.

Shaz has really been through the mill poor thing.

Lara xx

Hi all

I had the op on Tuesday morning through Bupa and am in quite a bit more pain today , Friday than I have been so far this week. I had thought it would get better each day not worse

In fairness I wouldn't say I'm in agony compared to some of the experiences I have read about here and elsewhere on the net. I only had the one removed although it was quite big. Perhaps this is why.

Is this a false sense if security though ? Will it start to improve or get worse by the day

Can't believe I dread needing to go to the toilet so much

I also had a vasectomy just 1 week ago. Thought it was a good idea to get both done together so one period of sick leave in work. Not so sure it was a good idea now smile

Hi mr vasectomy!!

You are very brave having both ops done!!

Unfortunately it does seem to get worse before it starts getting better. I've read loads and loads of blogs on

Several different websites and everybody's story is more or less the same. I found reading them all did help

Because I wasn't sure at first if all the different things that I was experiencing were normal, so it helped put

my mind at rest.

If you've read my blog you will know that I've had a particularly rough time, I had to have a second op. I'm

now on day 4 and as with the first op each day is getting worse. I've now been off sick from work for 8 weeks

And there is still no light at the end of the tunnel.

All I can say to you is just take one day at a time, don't overdo things, take regular pain killers and laxatives and don't ever strain.

As you had yours done through bupa you may get a better aftercare, don't be afraid to use it !!

I hope it all goes well for you..

Take care

From

Shaz

Hi Lara and everyone else,

The cream my G.P prescribed as I mentioned in my previous post is called ANUGESIC HC CREAM 30g. Its excellent as it numbs your bottom, I put it on about 30 minutes before I move my bowels and I would strongly recommend having a salt bath ready to jump into after you have had a BM as it really helps the painful spasms after you have had a BM. I used to sit in the bath for 45 minutes for the first 3/4 weeks post op. I still use the cream and salt bath and I'm 5 weeks post op tomorrow. As for the pain, I am getting better now and no longer dread going to the toilet, for the first 3/4 weeks I was crying with dread at moving my bowels. It didn't help that I became severely constipated shortly after the op but I've got through it and you will too hun.

I had 2 large hemorrhoids removed and also an abscess in my groin which compared to the hemorrhoids was nothing pain wise and the groin wound was being cleaned out and packed daily for 4 weeks!

Hope the cream works for you Lara and try the salt baths, let me know how you get on.

Hope everyone is improving and coping with the dreaded BM's!!!

Grace xx

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I had an op on Monday afternoon. I'm mostly in bed, trying to stay comfortable, eating healthily, drinking lots, and wondering how long it took for people to be well enough to drive?

I had a pretty nasty experience yesterday morning; an explosive attack of the runs. Like others have mentioned, I was prescribed lactulose solution even though I am lactose intolerant! Hello!! Spoke to the G.P. and she said only use if really needed. The difficulty with all this seems to me to get the stools just right! Too soft, and I'll be causing the anal canal to heal up in a 'scarred and narrow state' according to my notes from the hospital, therefore ripping my insides in two later on, when everything calms down, and the inevitable constipation comes back. Not soft enough and I'll be in agony now, and since by bum looks like I've been in the ring with Mike Tyson, I can't really imagine anything worse!

I have IBS, I am pretty sure I should avoid wheat, maybe also sensitive to starchy foods (carbs) and yeast. So basically I need to eat a very careful diet to have healthy B.M. and I find it really tough to stick to it long term.

I have children and lots of temptation all around me to eat the things I know make me ill yet I love them so much. I know why I am in this mess, it is simply a lack of determination and a weak willpower. Now that I am (trying to)sitting here, writing this, I realise that if I don't sort it out, I'll continue down the road to colon cancer and other very serious illnesses.

Any advice at this time would be greatly appreciated, as I am feeling rather fed up, I miss my little boy and just want to get well quick!

Mandy

Hi Mandy,

I had my op nearly 4 weeks ago now and my bowels are still not right. I have been off laxatives for 4 days now and am finding I am not quite so regular as I was, when I was on the, they are a lot firmer tho. I am finding my bm are still quite long and small, I can't seem to go like I used too which is a little worrying! Just hope it improves. It's still quite sore when I go now as didn't really notice it when they were softer. I also have ibs and I never seem to get it right, it's always one way or the other! You sound like your coping quite well, I did get constipated in the beginning which was agony for about 6 days, didn't know what to do with myself, spent half my life in the bath. I couldn't look after the children properly for about 8 days. I eventually managed to drive comfortably after 2 weeks but sure it differs for others. Movical was very good for me.

It's a horrible thing to go through, would never do it again if I knew what to expect.

Keep us posted Lara xx

Hi Lara,

Thanks for your reply.

Did your hospital explain much? Apart from the notes I was given at my pre-op assessment, I got no practical advice at all. Just sent home with medication. It seems like a big challenge for everybody, getting the BM's the right size and shape. Also a high fibre diet could be detrimental to some people and actually cause constipation! I know it isn't the reason everybody with piles gets them, but diet and lifestyle has to come into it. My hospital offered me a sandwich after the op but I declined; bread is one of the worst culprits for me. I had one of those Eat Natural nut and fruit bars instead, and after such a long time without food it tasted great!

So you got constipated early on? I am concerned that lack of mobility will slow my system down. I try to get up and move about regularly; standing for too long hurts as does sitting - so laying down, mostly... It could become a catch 22 situation of needing codeine for the pain following a painful BM, thus getting more constipated, thus needing more laxatives!!! This forum is the first place I have looked. I really hope I don't end up in more of a mess than I was before.

The problem I have found with laxatives over the years is they tend to make your bowels really lazy. I was having trouble with sluggish bowels, esp. when it's that 'time of the month', almost as if my body can't concentrate on more than one thing at a time. I have come to the conclusion that when I am following a really healthy, low carb, low fat, low sugar diet, I am much better, but I have to push myself to drink enough and when I am busy I just forget to drink. All things I have to work on.

My son is staying elsewhere for the time being. I need to be able to drive to get him to school and I know I'd find it impossible to cope with him right now, esp. as he has some autistic tendencies and can be a handful!

I can't help wondering if I have made a big mistake, but I guess only time will tell.

Thanks for your reply, it feels better to know I am not alone!

Mandy xx

Hi Mandy,

I got exactly the same as you the"notes" nothing else. Seems like your just left alone to get on with it, we are not the only ones tho, seems as tho everybody gets the same.

It will get better honestly, I def felt a lot better after about 8 -10 days tho still uncomfortable for a bit after, even now if I move funny it hurts especially getting in and out car, remember to lift your bum up rather than slide across!!

I wore pads for about 31/2 weeks as had slight leakage but seems to be improving.

Remember lots of hot baths with salt, really does help!

Got my outpatients appt in 3 weeks so will ask lots of questions.

Am back to work Monday so hoping will be ok as like to be near the toilet!

Take care, keep me posted Lara xx

Hi girls...

I'm still off work!! Still not back to normal !! It's been 11 weeks and 2 operations now!!

I have been told by my GP to keep taking laxatives because when I stop it only takes 2 days and I'm very

constipated. She has advised me to take half a sachet of laxido every night. Sometimes this works and

Sometimes it doesn't.

I have found that bran is an absolute no-no !! Too much fibre causes all sorts of problems, it makes you need to go about 4-5 times a day and if you are like me, the pain sets in afterwards and is awful.

I still have no bowel control and hate leaving the house. I only take paracetamol now when the pain is too bad

So it must be getting a bit better.

All you can do is take each day at a time, don't overdo it, no lifting etc as this can cause you to strain.

Lots of salt baths and try to rest when you can.

I am doing a lot more around the house now and I'm going to start going for walks to try and build myself up.

I also find that small, light meals are easier to pass thro than big dinners.

It's a nightmare.. One day something will work, then the next day it doesn't.

Don't expect to be back to normal for quite a while, others say it takes around 4-6 weeks, at least!!!

Mine has taken longer because of extra complications.. Good luck x

Hi,

Sorry to hear you are having such a long recovery. I just wish there had been more help with all my IBS related problems earlier on. Prob would not be in this mess now!

I shall keep you all informed of my recovery, better than a diary!

Mandy x

Hello Ladies,

I have been reading all of your posts and I can totally understand how distressing the post op problems are. I am now 7 weeks post op and I have finally got back to normal. The leakage I mentioned in an earlier post has thankfully stopped and I am now controlling my BMs with laxatives, this is because my bowel is lazy due to being on morphine for the last four years. Getting the balance is very tricky, I still find it hard to get my BM just 'right'. I am no longer in pain after going to the toilet but I have become a little obsessed in making sure I move my bowels daily as I am frightened of becoming impacted again! I continue with the high fibre diet, I did some research into the 'correct' type of fibre foods as there are two types, as mentioned in above posts, certain fibre foods cause constipation! Its well worth investigating this if your struggling. Lara mentions her BMs are small and long, this sounds like a condition called anal stenosis which, I think, is scarring inside the bottom causing the BM to be long and thin.

Hope everyone is recovering, it does get better although it dosen't feel that way at the beginning of post op.

Grace xx

Hi grace,

I'm really glad you are feeling better.

I'm very interested to find out more about these high fibre foods. Can you tell me which ones are the good

ones

And which ones can cause constipation.

I think I've got this stenosis too as that describes my bm's,.

I'm now going to have a look and see what I can find out.

Thank you very much, your comments are very interesting.

Take care

From

Shaz xx

Hi, me again!!

I've just been having a read online about fibre foods that can cause constipation. It's really interesting,

There is a lot of information about foods that will make ibs worse.

I've written 2 lists of foods to help constipation and foods to avoid, which can make matters worse.

For people going through what we are all going through, every bit of info helps.

I shall take my list with me when I go shopping to remind me of what not to buy.

Unfortunately chocolate is on my avoid list... !!

Shaz x

Hi ladies,

My notes from pre-op assessment mentioned how it is important to have 'formed stools' and avoid loose watery stools because the anal canal can heal up in a scarred and narrow state. I wonder if it is best to eat the type of fibre that bulks up the stools, making them soft, yet of a size that is normal? Normal size (diameter) to me, would probably be something the thickness of a large carrot? I am much better eating lots of veg, always have been, and fruit (although I read somewhere else that it's best to avoid citrus fruit for a while, maybe because it is acidic?)

I read about a lady in Germany who was kept in for 5 days on a liquid diet of fruit and veg juices and water. She seemed to have a pretty good recovery but I wonder what size her stools were? Maybe I'll ask! This is all a minefield. Personally, I have been sticking to very small meals, consisting of fruit, veg, a little chicken and one small portion of carbohydrate a day e.g. half a jacket spud, 45g rice, a few oatcakes, a small bowl of porridge oats... I am definitely a fan of wholegrain rice and find pasta and bread are terrible for slowing things down.

Today is day 3 of my recovery (op on Monday p.m.) so still early days. I am finding I want to have a B.M. 3 times; and only after the 3rd do I feel 'empty' and that bearing down feeling goes away. Just to top it all off, I now have my monthly cycle to deal with so I intend to increase my Movicol sachets just in case I get constipated. I think I'd rather have soft, long thin B.M's than suffer the hell of a hard stool!

Thanks to all for your comments, it's cheering me up to know there is light at the end of the tunnel!

Mandy