Need advice dating with Genital Herpes! Please!

Hey everyone,,

So this is the first time posting on a forum. I contracted HSV2  a few years back. I'm now 21yo and only now realising the true re-percussion of having contracted it. Since diagnosed it never really dawned on me what impact it would have on my life, being so young I was basically just concentrating on my career and it wasn't really an issue to me. I always just told myself.."you can never have a girlfriend". But as I got older, reality hit me. I had more opportunities where girls came into my life, whether it be through brothers setting me up or girls that would approach. The more female interaction I have, the more I realise what "im missing out on". I've been in a bad place since I found out. Everyone around me has noticed I'm growing into a different person. But I decided it won't get the better of me. I met a girl a couple weeks ago that works closely with my brother, she's amazing and beautiful. We have a connection but after a few dates its obvious to the both of us that sex will come on the 4th date. My question is: After reading up about having "the talk", it seems everyone says the same thing. "look into her eyes and tell her, if she truly loves you, she won't care you have herpes!". I find this bulls**t. They continue to say that you need to have the talk earlier than later, suggesting thirdish date. How, after a third date, will a girl be enough in love with you to not care about the risk of herpes?! It's impossible. Love and a true connection takes time. It could take months. Girls my age that start dating guys, are almost always having sex within the first week. If its stretched out any further they detach and give the cold shoulder. I've tried putting my heart and soul into this girl so I can make a strong connection as soon as I can. But girls find it desperate and needy and basically you can't win. Am already getting signs that I've been progressing too "slowly" she's been throwing herself at me and its the most depressing/frustrating experience I think I've ever had having to find excuses why "oh, I need to go"its actually crippling.

 Love to hear your thoughts, pretty much losing my mind. And to make it worse she works closely with my brother and has a dozen mutual friends, so telling her and getting a bad response gives me fear that she could blurt it out to ppl I don't feel need to know at this stage. Thanks for reading  

That's the price you have to pay for fooling around and not taking the necessary precautions. From what I know today and experienced with herpes, I'd run in the opposite direction if someone told me they had herpes. Now having herpes is a medical condition and personal. Can you trust her enough to tell her? What if you tell her and she tells all her friends and your brother? You should date a girl who was informed prior to dating in my opinion. It's not fair for that girl your with to find out after the fact. Say like Tina Turner " what's love got to do with it".  How would you feel if a girl dated you for months only to find out she has HIV? It makes a difference!  Hell I have Herpes 1&2 and scared to death about telling a date. I just told my friend who is a girl and she won't even touch or kiss me anymore!

There are STD that are eliminated taking antibiotics , but not herpes. It stays with you for the rest of your life with the possibility of recurrent painful sores on genitial. Not even a condom guarantees protection or antiviral meds. Hopefully a vaccine will come out soon.

Take it easy. have you tried taking aspirin daily (consult the doctor first about this). A small amount of aspirin daily has stopped me from getting outbreaks. And Eugene, please do not compare HSV to HIV!!! Sean is evidently freaked out enough as it is. I'd recommend using protection. If you have sex with protection and avoid sex during outbreaks, it's less likely to cause any trouble. 

Ambient, let Sean's girlfriend decide for herself. It's not fair for his girlfriend being lead on and not knowing that he has herpes, which can cause recurrent ulcer like sores on  and in her Virgina. Some times a person cannot just think of themselves and how they feel. I just wonder how Sean would feel if his girlfriend had herpes instead.

Hi Sean

I hear where you are at – you are right, many girls that age just want to jump into bed within a week.  It’s all those hormones!  You would be doing it too, if you didn’t have this bloody annoying virus!  It can feel like such a barrier!!

You are young, and it all seems very tough right now.

It will be okay!!  Even when you tell this girl, if she decides she doesn’t want to take the risk of having sex with you – some other girl down the line will.

You are NOT doomed to a life of loneliness!  And the first way to ensure that doesn’t happen, is to BELIEVE that you will find a lovely girl (or many, over the years)!!

You can check out some other suggestions for “how to tell your new partner” in this other forum thread, here’s a link;

https://patient.info/forums/discuss/how-do-we-tell-new-partners--216554?page=0#371100

The most important things (I think) to remember are;

1.      When you find the time is right, you feel okay about telling her, state that you really respect and care for her – that you had to tell her, because you want her to be informed and make her decision, before you guys do anything.

There is no rule about when to tell someone.  It is up to you.  I would recommend to tell her before you have sex though!  I think you just have to “sense out” the best time – and more importantly, is she someone you think might be able to handle this?  Is she mature enough, is she kind enough?

2.      If you want to delay having sex, tell her you are not quite ready yet.  Here are some ideas I’ve thought of (excuses) for not having sex yet;

“I’m just not ready yet, I hope you can bear with me, I really like to get to know someone first”

“I really want to get to know someone, before we take things to the next level”

“Feeling close to someone, knowing them quite well, is really important to me”

“I really respect you, and want to learn more about you – there is plenty of time to ‘get down to business’ in the future! – I want to spend more time finding out all about you first”

“I’m a guy that likes to take things slowly and surely”

“Don’t get me wrong, I think you are beautiful, stunning – I want you very much, I want to be with you very much – I think it will be so much sweeter if we wait a while, let’s get to know each other more”

“Being ‘emotionally intimate’ first is really important to me”

The best way to convince someone of something, is to repeat the same statement or sentiment, over and over, but using different words. 

So the message is “I want to wait, because I want to build a stronger connection with you first”.  Just say this same message, using whatever different words, but repeating the same message.  Hope that makes sense.  You can choose your own reason of course!  I just think this one is actually quite convincing – and, it’s also quite romantic!

This way you can perhaps slow things down, and perhaps you won’t feel the need to “push” really hard on trying to impress her.  You can relax a bit perhaps, be more yourself.  Show her how funny and charming you are!

The thing about herpes: it can really make us down-to-earth and big-hearted.  You start to look at people, how they are, who they are, differently.

Now, remember too: if she’s keen for action, she is attracted to you.  Just take your time, delay things, and get to know her first, for (as long as you can) and as long as need to, until you feel okay about telling her.

3.      When you do tell her, remember that different people will have a whole range of different reactions, it will all depend on the person.

There is nothing you need to feel really badly about, based on their reaction.  They will react however they are going to react. 

People will feel different things: shocked, scared, grossed out, worried, confused. Or maybe just a bit concerned – because the way you are telling it, and how you have treated them, they already feel safe with you.

All the “negative” reactions (scared, shocked, worried expression on the face, etc) - this is all normal – just think of all the feelings you have about it, especially when you first found out, and how you are feeling now.  Feelings also change.

You might want to consider getting some “talk therapy”, a counsellor, or something – a good friend, your Mum or Dad.  Talking about how you are feeling now, getting some ideas for improving your own thoughts about your self, your self-worth.  Because you are worth it!  You deserve happiness, and this little asshole virus isn’t going to stop you from finding love!!  Be determined.  Find the strength inside, waiting to blossom. 

You need to be brave, be reassuring, and stay strong – you might get knocked back here and there – but you must stay positive, and keep trying.  Believe that someone will want you – and someone bloody will!!  This is the secret – positive thinking and then it comes true.

4.      Now lastly: Be cool, calm, and collected when you tell them.  This was mentioned on the link I put above, and is a very good idea.

If you seem cool, calm, collected, clearly know your facts, answer the questions, ask her to go away and find out about it, have a good think about it, she can feel free to ask any questions later, tomorrow or after the weekend, etc – you can perhaps convince her that it’s not that big a deal.  You are open and cool and calm about it, you don’t seem too bothered by it – it might help her think it’s not such a big deal – because you don’t think it’s a big deal.  Fake it ‘til you make it.

5.      You must take all the precautions – anti-virals or lysine supplements (whatever works for you to help prevent outbreaks), always using condoms, and abstinence when you have an outbreak.  And she may never catch it.

So:

·         Delay – convince her she’s special to you, so special, you want to wait and get to know her really well first

·         Take anti-virals or whatever, do whatever you can to prepare to minimise the risk of transmission

·         Be cool, calm and collected, reassuring, open and knowledgeable, when you tell her

·         Be prepared for a range of emotional reactions – this is normal

·         Ask her to go away and research it, think about it – she will need time to process this information, and how she feels about it, and you

·         And stay positive that, if it’s not her, it’s the next lovely girl

 

There are also other things you can do with her, that don’t need to involve direct intercourse.  Just be really careful not to like, touch yourself, then touch her.  I’m not 100% sure on this (only found out I have it recently).  But my point is, she probably can give you a hand-job, or you can touch her womanly bits, with virtually no chance of transmitting anything (unless there is a cut on her hand or something) – again I’m not 100% sure, but this is where the need to research comes in!  Just make sure to have clean hands before, and then wash hands after.  Hope this makes sense!

Do heaps more reading about it – I need to do this too.  Find out more about it, facts, ways to reduce transmission, things you can probably very safely do with someone (that is not direct intercourse).  But anyway, the risk of transmission can be hugely reduced, if the right precautions are taken.

I think the overall key, is to know your facts, and get out there and keep trying, and stay positive – your day in the Sun will come!!!

Best wishes, and stop beating yourself up about it.  Consider getting some help if necessary.  You are too young and full of life to put yourself on the shelf, sweet.

 XOXOX

For starters, I just want to Thank everyone who has commented so far, unfortunately for me, I'm still a virgin and never had any sexual contact before. I honestly have no Idea how I got hsv2. I always had cold sores as a kid and thought I must of spread it that way, until recently I researched that its not possible. So not only do I have the fear of sex for the first time..I have herpes thrown into the mix. Believe me, I have read every single thing on google and seen every single video. I know everything there is to know about all types of herpes. Everytime a girl comes into the equation, these bad feeling are pushed to the front of my mind and put me in a very bad depressed state, as I can Imagine happens to most holders of the virus. The fear of "the talk" does not worry me, nor does the fear of rejection. It's the chance of giving the girl the virus even knowing the small risk if cautious. It's the not being able to live with contracting another human being with a disease that has made my life so hard and miserable. The only hope I hold onto is, "maybe she has it too and that's why this amazing girl is single". It is a very common disease, but this girl is also a virgin, and I feel like, she won't want to take the risk when she also has her whole life ahead of her. Please don't think of me as being negative.. I merely sharing thoughts that I've held to myself for a very long time rolleyes 

Living in Australia, it doesn't help that the stigma here is strong. 

Eugene, Yes everyone should be cautious of contracting any STI but you cant stop interacting intimately with people just out of fear. Herpes doesnt just come about from 'fooling around' especially because it can be contracted through viral shedding which youre aware of, someone could be in a relationship unknowingly have herpes and then have a viral shedding outbreak and bam, the partner has contracted it and their body shows symptoms so its a surprise to everyone. 

Please look at the bigger picture and look at all the possibilities before making someone feel bad for getting an sti. 

Hey Sean im from Australia also, I contracted hsv1 genitally when I was 18 so i understand where youre coming from. the stigma is huge and I think its unnecessary especially when people arent educated with the facts first. 

which is why I think talking about the facts and realities is a good position to take when telling potential partners that you have genital herpes.

Being comfortable about it and confident is what will make her feel more comfortable. she'll see that if youre calm about it, then she has no reason to be worried either, she will be calmer  and therefore more accepting.

Tell her what its like, your experience with it, statistics, what you know. then tell her thats why youve been a bit physically distant because you wanted to find the right time, place, etc  to tell her because you didnt want to do something without informing her first. Suggest that she does a bit of research on it herself and if she doesnt feel comfortable continuing the dating that youd appreciate it if she didnt tell anyone about it. 

I think telling her the ways you keep on top of it, medication, vitamins,  etc whatever it might be that you do and that if she  does decide to continue with you, that youll always tell her when/if you do have another outbreak and during that period youll have to abstain from sex and for every other time youll always use condoms.

 The worst that can happen is she rejects you, in that case move on and find someone else, not everyone will reject you.

Ive told people and had reactions from not caring and being glad i could be honest with them , to people being shocked, waiting that night and then hitting it off the next time we hooked up. Ive told people during late midnight conversations, and while someone was going down on me (I have type1 so I figured its the same as coldsores so he wouldnt get anything if hes had them before) and things were leading up to sex. 

The reality is its not a gianormous issue, I see it like a havig a cut or a pimple, its irritating, stings and hurts a bit, but then it leaves and its all good. it cant hurt your body genitally or orally its a very superficial virus. Yes if you have other health conditions at play it can flare up badly but in that case youve got other problems to worry about more than the herpes.

Of course iys different for everyone, but you have to date at some point and who know s maybe she will also have something to tell you and will feel comfortable enough to tell you if you lay it down first. 

sorry if this is a bit confusing and compact to read, im super tired haha anyway good luck to you, just jump in and give it your all, you sound like a really respectful and considerate guy and that you care about her, I think those aspects alone could win her over.

I just wanted to share that when I was first diagnosed I was furious and horrified, but as I did more research extensively, I realised that it wasnt so much the guys fault, it was viral shedding and we should have taken precautions. The whole stigma of it wore off on me, i think people should be able to talk about all of those kinds of things, I know its not sexy to let it all out in the early days, but for me that just makes sense and the person either takes a chance with you or they dont. and if they do contract something while youre taking precautions,  its not entirely your fault; you told her, she took the chance.  I mean, everyone is taking a chance all the time considering most people dont show symptoms and therefore dont even kow that they have hsv.

Im not trying to blow off hsv like its no big deal, im just trying to say that as someone who has contracted it from another person, you get over it, and as much as I would prefer to not have hsv obviously, i do and will have for the rest of my life unless they find a cure, and i cant hold it against the individual that transmitted it to me, I was the one who took the risk. so dont be too hard on yourself if you do happen to transmit it to someone, as long as you tell them and they are aware, youre clean. 

Hi Sean!

I've never written in a pubic forum before but I've just stumbled onto this and I can 100% relate to you. Unlike what other people have said, no Herpes isn't only just contracted from 'fooling around'. I contracted the Type1 Herpes Virus two years ago when I started university. I lost my virginity and contracted the virus at the same time, Yipeee. NOT. We did use a condom, and after consulting with my GP to have it diagnosed, my GP said it was Type1 which means i contracted it from my sexual partner's mouth. He DID NOT have any signs of having a cold sore, and he had never had a cold sore in his life, and neither have I, which means it was transmitted from the skinn cells and not an active breakout. Luckily enough to this day I have yet to have another breakout, which my GP said was very unlikely for me anyway seeing that outbreaks are less likely when Type 1 is transmitted to the genital area. 

However, I do feel your pain in finding it difficult to open up and be honest to someone and tell them you have the virus. It's fair for both partners to know and be aware, but it's not easy to have the conversation, which is why to this day, I have yet to have that conversation with anyone. My friends know I've got Type 1 Herpes and they are very supportive about it becuase they know how unlucky I was in contracting it. I have been sexually active with about 20 sexual partners since I contracted the virus, so in two years. I use a condom every time. No I didn't tell any of these past sexual partners i had the virus, and none of them have contracted it. 

Having the virus, I feel I will nevr be able to get a boyfriend, because no one wants to date a girl with the herpes virus. I feel embarassed even thinking of having the conversation because i know it'll only end one way. Therefore I've decided to just keep my emotions and feelings at bay, while still being sexually active with whomever I please. 

One day i hope to be in a stable relationship with someone and them be fully aware of it, however in this modern age i doubt that will happen, and i guess i just have to live with it.

Living with it doesn't mean making your life miserable and feeling sorry for yourself, sh*t happens, you have to deal with it. What's the  point in dwelling over every single problem, there are worse happening in the world. 

I say be as safe as you can, and live your life freely.

And i hope you get the girl smile

i think the important thing is if u know u have it , NOT to have sex with her unless she knows. if u are on the antiviral medication & not having an out break the risk of transmission is supposedly quite low, do some research & explain it to her that it has been driving u crazy because u Care about her & very attracted to her & dont want to put her in any risk without being able to access the facts & info for herself.

im in australia too. have u asked a doctor how its possible to have contracted it if u havent had sexual contact?

Wow. A little harsh and more than likely not helpful. We should all be supporting one another here. I had sex with one guy..ONE GUY..and I contracted it. He never knew he had it. 80% of people who have it show little to no symptons. Herpes is COMMON. And to be quite honest, most people overreact and take it way to seriously. I wanted to be mad at the guy I got it from but he didn't even know. You shouldn't judge someone based off of some virus. 

Just remember, a virus shouldn't define you. If she doesn't want you then forget her; that means she is shallow and you don't want a girl like that. I recently started dating someone and he told me (before sex) that he had genital herpes. He was incredibly nervous and when I told him that I had it too, we both found comfort in that. If this girl doesn't work out, maybe try to find someone who does have it.

That is horrible that you sleep w just one person w out telling them, but 20!? You have some nerve!? Now you will be the reason that someone is on this forum crushed and you don't know for sure if they caught it. Shame on you!

Hi sean im 20 years old and i was told that i had herpes nov 7,2011 i believe i kind of block it out of my head sometimes because i dont want to accept this i dont know mysef anymore i really feel myself going crazy

Thanks captain obvious for your unhelpful advice, he knows it isn't curable, believe me is well aware of this. Go troll another site w your useless and offensive remarks!

Dude!? Why is your pathetic soul even on this site!? If you don't have an STD, then GTFOH!! You must not have a life, trolling a site to make other emotionally distraught people more upset! You need a swift kick in the throat!

How do you know you have it? Did you have an outbreak of sores on your penis or did you get tested? I'm willing to bet, you got a false positive, due to your positive test for HSV 1, which is quite common. You need to demand a retake for an IGG, no IGM for hsv 2 only and a western blot. I don't believe you have it!