I have just had a one hour session at home with my CFS/ME specialist therapist, whereby she skyped a lady who had M.E. for 46 years and apparently made a full recovery, and has just come back from China climbing mountains. How did she do it I hear you ask? Well apparently she went on NLP and over a course of time, and using the tools given to her, the body healed itself.
I must admit it was interesting to listen to her. She told me she had M.E. since the age of 13 and had it for 46 years at all sorts of levels ranging from mild to very severe (bedridden). She now feels totally engergised and living life to the full. She believes when people say there is no cure, this means no medication or magic pill to cure you. She is confident that the M.E. has gone for good and she is not in a stage of remission. My therapist tells me she is trying to get a course local to my area and thinks it would be good for me to go.
Has anyone heard of this programming, and know of other people who have allegedly been cured. What do you all think about M.E. can be cured? Would love to hear from you all with your thoughts and opinions.
Well I am well on the road to recovery, I had a confirmed diagnosis from one of the UK specialists in CFS. I rode a mega 30 miles on my bicycle at the weekend. The key to my success has been pacing, giving up work and being in total control of my energy levels, which means a lot of saying NO. I suppose you could say it is a form of NLP.
hi tina. good for she. that sounds a case of healing the body tru the power of the mind. that's possible, but takes an enormous amount of persistent effort/energy. some ppl respond well to such approaches. others don't. i always get a sinking feeling when i hear such reports, as i feel i have FAILED spectacularly, although i have done loads of stuff to get better. ???? i also, feel there are many routes to ME/CFS and many routes out of it.
yes, i have heard of/done NLP. aspects of it r used in many self-help/personal/professional development programs. even CBT & the LP course etc. use aspects/approaches of NLP. my ex GP uses the 'quick rapport establishing' NLP technique. i'm not uncomfortable with this use of it as it doesn't feel 'authentic' to me. some of the techniques are good at 'shifting' state (i.e. mind state) short term. most of us require a sustained shift. personally i'd say NLP could go in the 'marmalade' category - u either like it or u don't? some ppl swear by it. others hate it.
tina, do u have a therpaist come to u paid for by the NHS? wouldn't mind one of them myself. how does one go about getting one??
Interesting! It begs the question, if NLP is all it takes and full recovery is possible, why isn't that what the NHS is funding and telling us? Why have we all been faffing about for so long?? I think British Gas employees have been trained in NLP as I had a strange and very over friendly conversation recently. He used all my own words and reflected everything back, it was weird like talking to a roblt. I felt I was covered in slime and in need of a shower afterwards, YUK!! As Caitlin says,, not for everyone.
Yes, but you have to remove the causes, pace yourself thoroughly and be given hugh amounts of support. Please see my testemony. It is on five different threads in this Dicussion Group. My method was hit and miss. A prgramme or method might suit people far better and take a shorter time.
Some people get better, but there's no good evidence that any particular treatment helps. NLP is pretty rediculous even by the low standards often used for CFS. Was it an NHS CFS specialist who was acting like this? Sounds quite unethical to me.
As soon as I read your post my gut reaction was like steer clear but I checked it out anyway and it whiffs of dog poo in shiney paper to me. I've had exposure to that flavour before and personally I wouldn't trust whatever is lurking behind it.
The programme uses things like hypnosis and mind control which I would be very suspicious of on it's own but that also is suggesting that ME is in the mind. That may be the old school of thought but we now know that it is not the case and ME is a physical illness.
How do we know this lady is genuine? And even if she did recover from ME was it the programme alone or was she also simultaniously pacing and resting? People can also recover that way too.
I hope you find my reflection helpful and all the best.
It's something that was popular with con artists, sales people and politicians in the nineties. There was never any good evidence to show it was of value for anything other than boosting the confidence of smarmy wannabe manipulators.
Sounds like the Lightning Process or something similar which is based on NLP. It also worked for me and my daughter and many others I know - although I understand there are lots of people for whom it has not worked. Am happy to discuss further with you if you want more details - you will note that there is a lot of negativity about the whole thing but I can only tell you it worked for us.
Hi Sharon, I have heard good things about both "treatments" and indeed those it help do very well. A large % of people though dont benefit which is one of the odd things about ME it does seem to help those people who dont have a glandular fever or chest infection type or sinus infections repeatedly starting point for their ME and most of those it does help seem to have come in from stress related problems as their point of origin before they developed ME. Stress reults in a poorly immune system so these techniques make a lot of sense there. and again i say if anything can make a positive difference then try it!!!
Thank you for a balanced response Andrew! In our case, my daughter had glandular fever which started her M.E. (she had it for seven years) but mine was the Coxsackie B Virus (I was ill for 18 years!) but don't know what started off other people's M.E.who were helped.
interesting and its these ovelaps cases that make it very important to find the root casues of the ME group of illnesses. It should be that one treatment helps all to varying degrees but it doesnt. Mitochondial support helps another group but doesnt help all and of course you get the Thyroxin supported people. We need the test that says your ME type and can direct you from there, we need the medics to accept the illness and to do all the tests including the range of Thyroid tests at least then more people would get better, as you have! well done i am jealous, made it to remission once want to do it again but less likely due to heart problems... but i am trying...
I think that whether programmes such as these help is down to how physically well your body is. I know a young lady who says she got better using the Lightning programme, but she'd already put an immense amount of work into healing her body with good diet etc.
It's costly (as are other programmes), and I was offered it from the local ME group from donations but I said no because I knew that I'm too sick and it wouldn't help me yet. I wanted them to give it to someone whom it could benefit, who wasn't as sick as me.
In other words, I think she was ready to be well and almost there anyway. She just needed some kind of placebo to make her believe that she was well. If it works for people great, but it's not for me.
Oh heck yes Caitlin, I've heard about programmes making people feel like failures if it doesn't work; the Gupta programme for instance.
This is an all over illness, and most definitely physical in the strongest possible ways. I believe that placebos can work but not if your immune system is totally screwed, your mitrochondria can't take in energy from food, your thyroid and whole endocrine system is on a different planet and you know it!
I just sent you a reply and it's being moderated! In case they don't approve it I basically said that programmes can work as a placebo but our immune systems, endocrine systems, hormonal systems are all out of balance.
If our bodies are pretty good and the mind needs persuading of that then programmes sometimes work, but ultimately the physical body needs the work put in first. It depends how extreme our ME is.
yes, GeorgiaS that's how i see it too. i have seen a few recover from ME/CF having completed the LP. i believe for thoes ppl who did 'recover', their bodies had already recovered but their mind was still in 'sick gear'. the LP just kick started it back into healthy gear. the ppl that i know who say they have recovered, the majority have not gone back to full time work. most do part time work (some being LP facilitators). again those that i know who consider themselves 'cured' are still succeptible to set backs (relapses) if/when they over do it.
it's difficult to explain NLP concisely in a few words . N=Neuro - the mind. L = linguistics - the language we choose to use. P= Programming - programming the mind to work positively in a persistent, pro-active 'can do' manner. it has taken aspects from a number of other schools of psychology such as Aaron Becks cognitive psychology CBT, aspects of the Behavorists approach, the work of Carl Rogers, Fritz Perls and Virginia Satir etc. even Naom Chomsky gets his name in there. it works strongly with the senses, as it's with the senses we experience & make sense of the world.
The title, coined by Bandler and Grinder, broadly denotes the view that a person is a whole mind-body system with patterned connections between internal experience (`neuro' ), language (`linguistic' ) and behaviour (`programming' ). there are some good and versatile, usable techniques in there that can be used in everyday situations like 'anchoring' etc. it's widely used in the sales wor & corporate and training instituitions. it can be miss used too as by my GP. have a google Alison. mine's a lay person's effort at explaining it.