Padres de niños diagnosticados con PANDAS

I just thought I would post an update as I have had a few alerts regarding new posts since I wrote this.

My son is 8 now and we seem to be in a wax & wane situation regarding the severity of his tics. The Paediatric Consultant we had at Derriford left and went to Exeter hospital (I think) and a new one took over. Thankfully the new consultant is also going down the same route as his predecessor.

If you type p.a.n.d.a.s. syndrome into google ( full stops inc.), a whole lot of new research comes up

including a recent white paper (type in 'p.a.n.d.a.s. syndrome white paper) by Dr Swedo 15/02/12. There is also a site that I have used called pandasnetwork.org.

It is compelling reading suggesting that even peripheral contact with a strep b infection say in a classroom or social setting can trigger P.A.N.D.A.S. kids symptoms.

My son has never had a positive throat swab and the updated research doesn't say that a daily on-going penicillin dose is as effective as I was led to believe 3 years ago.

It is positive for us all that at least research is being done and that Dr''s presumably can't go on

disregarding the condition affecting our kids. The information is invaluable for printing off and handing to Teachers, cub/beaver leaders and Dr's because it explains why our kids are the way they are sometimes.

Our new consultant said that if my son is aware of any differences, or is teased, he just has to say, ' oh, that's just a tic I have sometimes, it's just part of who I am' which is a good way of putting it into perspective. He also put in writing to my G.P. & school that my son has no more chance of stopping the grunts, blinks & twists than he could a sneeze.

One thing I have noticed as a parent is that computer games, wii games etc.. and tiredness all greatly increase the severity of the tics and they increase at the end of the day when I believe fatigue sets in.

Like most parents on here, I am hoping that at around 13, the symptoms will disappear. I have hope because I found out that my cousins son had the same symptoms which disappeared as he grew up. A child of a cousin is a pretty tenuous relationship to imply a genetic link, however it was never diagnosed in this child and the similarities are very striking. Ask around within your family to see if you also have a tenuous link.

We have learned to cope, live with and ignore the symptoms as advised by our consultant. There was a much larger increase in Jan 2012 including regression where our 7 year old went back to baby programmes, poor writing and a total inability to imagine or be inspired to think about anything not there in front of him. The worst symptoms lasted approx. 2 weeks and as school noticed, we referred once again to the consultant. The tics gradually reduced but still haven't totally gone. Stress seems to trigger increases too inc. new school year, holidays, xmas and all the excitement and the lead up to birthdays.

1st diagnosis of this condition is very hard and scary, but as parents, we have to try and deal the hand we are dealt and I promise, it does get easier. It also means that we celebrate the good days and times and tolerate the bad as best we can. I am sorry if I can't answer your questions, but I am just a mum who's son has some weird condition that not many have heard of. We do cope as I am sure all parents of kids with P.a.n.d.a..s will learn to do as best they can.

I don't want to patronise, but at least it isn't life threatening and there are kids certainly a lot worse of than ours. Please keep strong and don't take no for an answer if someone is trying to palm you off.

Kindest regards to all of you.

Tracey

Hi Phillipa

My son was diagnosed with Tourettes Syndrome 3 years ago now, the neurologist wouldnt give a PANDAS diagnoses although she more or less admitted it could be PANDAS, it was agreed my son take daily anti-biotics which he did for over 1 year. Her point was that whether it was PANDAS or Tourettes the symptoms and treatment would be the same.

I understand this is a very difficult time for you and your family and watching your child displaying these symptoms is very upsetting. I can only say that in time it does get easier, the tics naturally wax and wane as do the other symptoms. I found a great deal of support through the pandasnetwork that Tracey mentioned above. Now we cope with everything, my son manages his condition and when he is going through a bad spell we just have to support him as much as we can.

There is no magic wand unfortunately and if there is any other information I can give you please ask.

There is an interesting documentary on channel 4 this Thursday evening "The town that caught tourettes." I have been doing some research about this programme and there are indications that the 12 kids with tics may have PANDAS. It may be worth watching.

Take care

Lou

Hi there

I would really urge anyone to look into homeopathy. My daughter, aged 6, has had PANDAS for the last two years and has spent a lot of that on full course or prophylactic antibiotics as we were so desperate. When it got to the point recently that any cold would trigger off the symptoms, we decided that we would take her off the antibiotics as I was concerned they were doing more harm than good and was suffering from tummy aches and eczema. I was pretty sure that she had a yeast infection (probably caused by the antibiotics) so put her on a low sugar and yeast diet, continued with probiotic tablets and have put her wholly in the hands of the homeopath. I did this having done lots of research on the internet (the only place it seems you can get advice and support on PANDAS). If you google homeopathy pandas you will read many promising stories. I am amazed at the difference already. She has never been so well but really time will tell whether it really is working. All I can say is that the future on antibiotics felt bleak as she was reacting to infections that they couldn't stop whereas I now feel really hopeful that the homeopathic treatment may keep her on an evenish keel. I am in Bristol. I will see how things go over the next 6 months/year and will certainly be recommending the homeopath I see to other PANDAS sufferers if things continue as they are as she will hopefully have built up quite a lot of knowledge of the PANDAS illness.

Take care

Bea

Just to let people know some more UK PANDAS support groups. Suzanne Ayres who has a child with PANDAS is coordinating a UK support group. You can contact her at her uk yahoo email address with a dot between her first and last name. She will send you lots of information. She has been to US PANDAS conferences so is really up to date. She has recently recommended Dr Goyal in London who she is using privately.

There is a UK facebook group

www.facebook.com/groups/199211800204411/

and a US one

www.facebook.com/groups/PANDASParentsGroup/ which will give you lots of support and advice.

Beth

Hello, I have recently joined this PANDAS support group and its been very helpful and supportive. I would recommend any parent going through this awful situation to join. I'd like to know why there isn't more in the press about this condition? Why are we suffering in silence? Hope your child is getting better and getting the treatment they need.

My 5 year old just diagnosed on Saturday with pandas post strep infection and extreme change in behaviour Particularly interested in talking directly to Fran 25 as we are also in Ireland. GP had never heard of this. Thankfully registrar in hospital A&E had so we have a diagnosis but don't know where to go from here. He is currently on penicillin. We are feeling very lost and isolated.

Many thanks

Hi sunshine mum, 4 year just considered a "convincing argument for a PANDAS diagnosis" by Neurologist in Dublin. No treatment given yet. Has been going on for over a year. GP also has never heard if it. Trying to track down any support/doctors who have treated in Ireland to no avail so far. Would be interested in sharing story. Living with constant butterflies in my tummy... So can't imagine how my 4 year old feels!

Hi PandasinIreland have sent you a Pm in reply to your pm and would be v interested in sharing story.

Many thanks

Sunshinemum

Hello, 3 weeks ago my 6 year old daughter got poorly with throat infection and on the very same day she started ticcing just like some body had pressed a switch and the tics began. Doctor have her 1 week of antibiotics for throat but I didn't mention the tics because I thought it re something and nothing....how wrong was I ! They just got worse and worse and now 3 weeks later she had about 6 different tics that never stop plus a vocal tic that pops up now and then...I did a lot of research and came across pandas...couldn't believe what I was reading so I took her the GP yesterday who sent us straight to pediatrics, they agreed it must be pandas and that it would be treated like any other tics. We have appoitment with neurologist in 2 weeks but after more researching I am wondering if she should be taking antibiotics now still ? even 3 weeks after infection? Does as anybody know do antibiotics help with the tics ? Also I read maybe ibuprofen may help ? I'm going to start giving her ibuprofen tomorrow it's worth a go.

Hi Kerrie40680. We are in a very similar situation as you. We saw our GP on Monday and saw a paediatric consultant on Wednesday. He agreed there is a possibility of pandas. He was most concerned as our daughter, she is 6 too, is having very aggressive arm and leg tics as well. Her whole body jerks at times. She also has facial and noises. She is having a blood test Tuesday and we are waiting for an EEG appointment. Our poor little girl is exhausted and now getting very sad about having the tics. How can we explain or give hope when we don't know what the future holds.

I also wonder if she should be on antibiotic still. She was on them for one week and the tics started after that.

Have you tried using ibuprofen and has it helped? x

Hi  there, i thought i'd reply to your post although it looks like it might be a year old as yr child is same age as mine and i wondered how yours is coping now compared to when you first posted your comments.  My son is nearly 12 actually but although he has aspergers, he was perfectly ok until suddenly he developed some tics etc approx 4-6 weeks ago which we put down to exams time...he is developing more and more worrying behaviour .  We're at our wit's end. 

Hi BeaE, just wondering how your daughter is doing? Has the HP worked? We've just started HP with our son - early days yet but I am hopeful. Thanks, K

hi, can you tell me where you went to get your childs diagnosis as am struggling to find someone x

desperate to know where i ca go to see if my 11 year old son with autism has pandas aswell, sore throat followed by ticks and choriform movements, digging at his skin behaviours off the wall, so clingy  etc etc desperate x

hi could you tell me where i can go to actually get a diagnosis x

Hi Vicki56072,  i haven't found anywhere yet either but have a thorough search and keep plugging away - judging by this forum alone, people do seem to get through the system somehow!  

Good luck and keep going!

Happy Days

Hi sorry I've taken so long to reply just life's been busy....I hope you have found some help for your little girl by now ? I know it's soooooo worrying and consumes your life's...it seems that every child is different and not many doctors know of Pandas so it's all on the parents to get the right help.  Luckily my daughter got better, it all just cleared up thank god, she was suffering for about 4 months and the neurologist assured us that he has seen pandas lots of times before and majority of children it passes after bout 12 months so guess my daughter was really lucky. She additional has some little habbits now but that small nobody would notice except me.  I still don't know what will happen nex t time she gets poorly so we just wait and see. I do hope your daughter has some relief by now. I know it's useless info for you this long down the line but ibuprofen did not help my daughter but she did get antibiotics as soon as she was poorly and about 4 different types after that ( which I had to stalk the doctor for )  maybe they helped maybe not ? I do wonder though if I didn't take her docs soon as she was poorly and got antibiotics for her that maybe her case would have been worse?  I have been advised to get antibiotics for her in future at first signs of even a sore throat. Again I hope things are looking up for your little girl I know how hard it is for her and yourself x

Hi Vicki, my daughter had pandas confirmed by the paediatrics at glan Clwyd north Wales  and neurologist from Alder hey...they never doubted it was pandas. 

hi kerry40680 , thankyou for this, do you have a phone no for either, massive thankyou again x

hi kerry sorry, would you have the names of neurologist and paed, this is the 1st bit of light ive had so grateful xxx