problems sleeping

ive been taking 7.5mg of zopiclone for a long time. now i have run into a problem. its not working, when i thought the amount of effect from the pill would never wear off, like i was getting the faintest amount of effect and that was enough to relax me and allow sleep. this last few days ive had to take 15mg in order to get to sleep. i thought this drug would always have some effect, but obviously i was wrong. i cant bear to think of life without sleep. i know eggburt has been on these pills for over 15 years, why is the same not happening to me

 

You can build a tolerance to the drug hence it takes a larger amount to gain the benefit you had when first taking them.

I have been on zopiclone since 2001 but my gp is

now decreasing zopiclone and stopping benzodiazepines.

I have at one stage gone through 28 7.5mg tabs in four days.... I am at the min going through 14 in ten days.

Drugs are not the answer they tell me but to us...

You are not alone hope it helps to know that x

Hi there Mikey,  I know your frustration at the thought of it not working, or having the same affect as it use to anymore, been on them for about eight years myself and i am currently going through the same thing, as with most drugs we reach a point ( some people quicker than others ) where we become almost immune to the original effect of the drug as with illicit drugs like Heroin, amphetamine, Cocaine etc and Zopiclone is no exception. Also different people may have different reactions to a given drug, for example my wife says Zopiclone have no or little effect on her as does her friend, but to me they have always had quite a powerfull effect which only makes it all the more harder to go without them. Being an ex drug user ( illegal drugs ) for many years and having given them all up one by one to the point where Zopiclone is my only dependance does not make it any easier, i feel this is one drug i cannot go without which of course is what being addicted to something is all about..............so having two Zopiclones instead of one only makes the problem bigger ....100% bigger.  I have had some good advice from members on this forum recently of which i am very gratefull, even with my past experiance i was finding the obvious difficult to see, and quite often in life people see or spot things which we can't or don't want to see, with me i was thinking drinking alchohol last thing at night with my Zopiclone was a good idea dispite having Liver Disease,  guess i did not want to admit to myself that really now was the time to seriously think about cutting back my medication with a long term view to giving it up altogether and try to find an alternative way to cope with my problems. Sorry i seem to have gone into one.....i guess i am just typing what i am thinking and hoping some of it makes sense to you and may be of help. I personaly feel so much better for having given up the illegal drugs that i am sure this must be the way to go....all the best and good luck to you.....Robin

Hi! Are you finding it harder to come off the benzodiazepine than zopiclone? coz in my mind I think benzos are more addictive with a quicker tolerance buildup.sorry for.getting a bit off topic. Just want to know which is harder to get.off of

Everyone is different.  You say you've been on it for a long time, i don't know how long that is.  I took zolpidem, a similar drug, for about 17 years and didn't increase the dose at bedtime, it was 10mg, but because it's a very short acting medication (its purpose is to get you to sleep but not to keep you asleep) i would wake up after 4 or 5 hours, and then i got into a thing where i would take a smaller dose and get back to sleep for another hour or two.  For many years, i didn't need to do that, but at some point i did.  They came out with an "extended release" version and i took that, it's 12.5mg, and that worked for a long time, but finally, i stopped getting much effect from it. I could get to sleep at night usually but it didn't keep me asleep long. Then, i found some zopiclone in my drawer that i'd apparently tried years before but didn't like it as much. I tried it out one night and it did get me to sleep, and i stayed asleep all night. Unfortunately i was also hung over during the day. But i started taking it instead of the zolpidem. I found that i was too hung over to work during the day so at first i only took it on weekends. Then i started taking it all week.  After about two months, maybe two and a half, it stopped working as well as it was, and i added the zolpidem back in, not as much as before, i took half of the extended release zolpidem with 7.5mg zopiclone. But i was also taking more zolpidem in the morning around 4 or 5am because i would wake up and not be able to go back to sleep. So, after taking zolpidem for many many years without getting addicted, by that time, i developed what you're talkinga bout, tolerance, which is a feature of addiction, and i needed to take more to get the effect.  But i also knew that the more i took the more i would need, that's how it works, and i wasn't able to get enough to do that, so i had to sometimes go without very much sleep for a day or two, without increasing the dose, and then, from getting less sleep, i'd be more tired, and the same amount of meds would get me to sleep.  I hated being on both medications and got some odd symptoms which began shortly after i started the zopiclone which were disturbing (waking  up feeling like i was in an unfamilar place, even though it was my home, and not knowing how to do things like making breakfast). it would wear off pretty quick, not more than a half hour, but i was not happy with it. It only happened on occasion, like twice a month or so, but still, it was very disturbing to feel that out of it, and one morning i had a black out experience which to my knowledge, i hadn't had before.  A plumber came to my house for an appointment and i told him i didn't need a plumber. Later, his boss called me and asked my address and then said his plumber had come to my house and was told a plumber wasn't needed. I did not remember that at all, and insisted that i had been home the whole time and no one had come to the door.  But the guy described me and my dog, so i bellieved them that they came and i didn't remember it at all. Disturbing. So, i was really wanting to get off the zopiclone because i'd never had symptoms like that before. It still took me almost a year to finally get the courage to start reducing the amount of zopiclone, i was so afraid of not getting enough sleep. But when i finally did it, it was pretty easy because i was still taking plenty of zolpidem so i didn't really miss any sleep, i was cutting 1/4 of the zopiclone tablet, it took me a couple of months but i got off it, and have not had those weird symptoms since then.  But i'm still on the zolpidem.  Maybe instead of doubling your dose, did you try cutting the pill in quarters and seeing if just adding a quarter would get you to sleep? In my experience, the only way to reduce my tolerance has been to go with less sleep for up to a couple of days, and i have  been very reluctant to do that, but for me, there is really no choice. If i keep increasing the amount of medication, it will get less and less effective, so that a huge amount will not work.  I sympathize with you.  I am planning to get off the zolpidem even if it means very little sleep, but in my case, i have found that when i go without sleep, i do sleep easier after a day or two. This may not be true for everyone.  Another thing i've found is that sometiems i feel better on days i slept less than on days i sleep more, i can't explain that but it is real, and i've heard other people say the same thing.

get to the doctors and get some mirtazapine 40mg..start taking them with the zopiclone then as soon as you can start tapering the zopiclone down to the point where you are having even just a minute amount.Its working for me and i thought i'd never get off zopiclone.15 years i'd been on them.

Hi Dean. I am on mitazapone 45mg at night.

How did you reduce and by what amounts and time schedule.

I really aappreciate your replying, thank your x

I came off diazepam one month ago. I eventually quit at 8mg ti nil.

I has been on 15Mg a day plus what I could obtain street ways. I realised things were getting out of hand and sort support. 

I am terrified of this coming decrease iin zopiclone. I have thought of buying them off the internet and that worries me.g.

I am on a large amount of pain killers.

A large amount of painkillers each day will do 10 times as much physical damage to your body than say for instance valium and zopiclone. Do you take these to sleep, or for other purposes? Have u considered something like serequel? Works like a charm, just dont go too high dosage coz at 800mg I saw dumbells fly and stuff melting, but overall serequel might do wonders, maybe worth a shot?

Hi, me again, yes I totally agree with you benzos are far more addictive as they take a quicker hold on you. Zopiclone creeps up  on you.. Benzos the 60s wonder Drug, given out  Smarties.

Strange enough I get very greedy with dormonoct and alzam, but ativan never interested me much. Any benzo is good for me coz it is a good muscle relaxant but like I said I prefer some of them more than others. Every person has their own drug of choice. My psychiatrist doesnt give me benzodiazepines anymore coz she knows my addictive nature too well. Anyway so what painkiller are we talking about? Stuff with a lot of aspirine?

I have.emphysema,nerve damage in my back and chronic fatigue syndrome.. I am on patches, morphine,dyhydrocodeine

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So many opoids

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Where do you ger Serequel? X

Patches are fentinyl 25 mcg.

I actually spelt wrong I think its Seroquel. With an "o" . Depending on ur country, u get Quetoser which is the same its all Quetiapine. I actually think it might make the cravings for zopiclone less intense. It also stabilizes your moods. Quick question, you know that bitter taste you get in your mouth 20min after taking zopiclone, do you get that anymore or is it gone? To me the pill itself doesnt even taste bitter anymore. Before I swallow it I even roll it around in my mouth a couple of times I like the taste. But its just not bitter anymore

I know the bitter taste and I aISP move the zopiclone around my mouth.

I stil get the metalic taste but not all the tone.

Are you in the UK?

I have given your question great thought. I came off diazepam and had side effects ie paniic attacks, anxiety, restless.

I am to start the zopiclone decrease 20th of this month. I am terrified. X

I can hear the wind here we are getting the after effects of the hurricane here now 70mph winds ...

You have worked very hard. Congratulations and love and good luck in your decrease of zopiclone x

SA. You in the UK?

Dont worry you'll be able to kick that "zopiclown" out of your life