Endoscopia gastrointestinal alta/sin sedación

ceriwyn : It is only a small proportion of people who have any problems, the first time I had it I was in the car and driving home within the hour, no sweat.

 I suggest that first thing on Monday, get in touch with the department and explain to them that you are frightened. They will probably invite you to go in and talk to them to reassure you, and maybe show you what is involved.

 Whatever you do,  DON'T self-medicate before the procedure, and IT IS ESSENTIAL that you are completely honest with them about what you have taken, even the previous day, you may still have sedatives in your system. As lily65668 says, these drugs will add up and may cause you serious problems.

 * PLEASE * don't cancel just on the basis of what you have read, you have got things out of proportion; and they are doing your procedure for a good reason.

 

I'm so sorry that you have bad anxiety, I suffer with it myself and like you I was nervous, but I have had two now and it isn't nearly as bad as you are imagining. Although not pleasant, it is over so quickly and really not worth cancelling as then you will worry even more that something could be wrong. Once it is over and everything hopefully  is ok you will feel so relieved that you went. it's a shame  some people put such horror stories on here ( they are rare!!) and put others off who need it! I do hope you go ahead and  I wish you luck!

I agree with you Lily, the fact that the nurse showed me  on the miniter that my breathing was normal, reassured me it was ok. Both times were different for me but neither were that bad, and over with so fast. So many people seem to opt for the spray and seem to feel worse when they have sedation so i went for the spray both times.

Please also remember that the first camera I had was fine I had sedation and I remember a small gag then nothing I woke in recovery however that was in a private UK hospital. Under the NHS guidelines we can chose any hospital private or NHS so when I go the docs next week I'm asking for the private place so I can avoid the GA and have sedation again but this time more of it!! Also I think the whole listening to them slagging me off and make me sit for 3 hours listening to everyone gagging made me more agitated and so I was already worked up before I went in which counter acts the sedation to start with.

The problem now is I am completely scared to have another BUT I am going to have too tbh as something is wrong with my stomach. If I have to have GA then I will do.

The throat spray IMO made me worse I remembered the feeling straight away as soon as they did it you are swallowing you think but can't feel it I do not like the feeling and that did made me panic more.

Also I saw the camera and the one I had was a massive thick black pipe which reminded me of my drain cleaner not something slender which was about to go down my throat! It doesn't help having it out for you to see.

On all the videos I've watched like the American ones the person having it done it all calm and sedated well over there the NHS can't be bothered to take the time or spend the money on people who are nervous and need that bit more sedation and therefore need to spend longer in recovery. So my advice opt for a local private hospital and ask for a referal to there.

Today is here omg.

I phoned the hospital yesterday to cancel the appointment, the lady said the doctor who will be doing the procedure is here now do you wish to talk to him!

So he explained that the camera is roughly the size of small finger, that you only continously gag if you can't control your breathing.

I told him I'd take 10-15mg of diazepam and 10mg of stelazine an hour before the procedure and he said that was fine as long as I am coherent.

Roll on 6.15pm not looking forward at all, actually petrified that something will go wrong and I'll die, that's how ridiculous I am.... sad((

Wish me well

ceriwyn, you will be absolutely fine, hundreds of people have this done every day with no problem, I'm sure you will be one of them.

 Let us know how you get on...

Don't worry so much Ceriwyn. No one ever died of a gastroscopy. And it's great that the doctor knows you're scared. I'm also impressed that he was prepared to talk to you and reassure you. That suggests to me that you're in very good hands. Some (maybe most) doctors are incredibly arrogant and not interested in how the patient is feeling. You got lucky with this one, so make sure you go through with it. If you cancel and have to get another appointment you might be less lucky with the doctor you get.

I'm sure your meds will help a lot - but you will be completely honest about what you've taken, won't you?

By this evening I'm sure you'll be wondering what all the fuss was about. Be sure to tell us how it went.

All the best,

Lily

All done 2 mg of sedation but most weeped under my skin. So I didn't have a direct affect.

The spray in my throat didn't bother me at all.

It's not nice no it isn't.

But as soon as the camera is in then as long as you breathe through your mouth long deep breaths then you don't gag.

Was over quickly, I'd have another if need be but wouldn't look forward to it.

Thanks for your kind words everyone xxx

This must be where I went wrong. No one mentioned breathing to me they just put the green mouth guard in and started didn't mention breath through mouth nothing at all. I'm sure it's because they squished me in at the end of the day so they rushed

So glad it all went well for you xx

I got my letter to go for a health check for the GA but I'm going the doctors Monday going to ask to be referred to the private hospital where they offer more sedation - I hope x

So glad it went well, Ceriwyn!

Me neither! In fact, they generally acted as if wasn't there, presumably on the assumption the sedation had worked - which it hadn't. They put the mouth guard in first, then the nurse said the sedation was going in at precisely the same moment the two medical students put the tube down. I think it all depends on who your doctor is. And like yours, my procedure wasn't planned and they were very annoyed with me, like they were with you, calling me a time-waster because I was convinced I'd swallowed my denture. To be fair though, they were impeccable once they got it out - kept me in for 24 hours on IV antibiotics.

ceriwyn, that's excellent, so pleased it went ok for you !

Well done!  I'm feeling very nervous today, as my appointment is tomorrow and 2.45.  MY husband is taking me. 

I'm glad you can breath through the mouth as I have sinus problems and often find my nose blocks and I have to breath through my mouth.  This was worrying me a bit.  Silly, as I know they wouldn't let me sufficate, Would they???

 

I just had an EGD without sedation yesterday. It was very uncomfortable and horrifying, but if I need to do it again, I can manage to get through easily. In the USA almost all of GI endoscopies are done with sedation. I opted out the sedation at the last minute, since I couldn't find a babysitter to look after my special need son for the rest of the day. The staff didn't prepare for it and my nurse admitted she had never done this before. However, the doctor was willing to "try". She said she would do it as quickly as she could for about 3-5 minutes. She told me to focus on breathing and listen to the nurse's instruction. 

The doctor told the nurse to spray a few extra pumps all over my throat. One of the spray got to deep that made me choke severely and tear for longer than a minute. However, I didn't feel numb at all, but I didn't realize I should have told them that. Then they put the mouthguard in my mouth. I saw my teeth, tongue and all of the sudden the nightmare began.

As soon as the tube touched the opening of of my esophagus I started gaging violently. I couldn't stop gaging and couldn't breath at all. I felt like the bronchi and the esophagus had their own mind, since I couldn't control either of them. I gagged every time she moved the tube. I kept on gaging till I felt like suffocated. At that time my breath was coming in gasps. I realized that gagging reflex and breathing couldn't happen at the same time. The problem was my esophagus fought so hard that I couldn't take a breath. 

Despite my doctor tried so hard rushing the procedure, it took longer than she expected. I had so many ulcers all over my esophagus, stomach and deodenum. She had to take more than biopsies. She had to stop for a few seconds for the nurse to get more tissue jars. When she stopped, I was able to breath again and suppress the gagging reflex. So the biggest tip I learned is to tell my doctor to take many breaks instead of rushing through.

Talking about the pain, I was in great pain during the procedure unlike most people only experienced some pressure to the stomach wall. It could be because my stomach and intestine was severely inflammed. I also felt the spasms from the overly contracted esophagus. The whole thing took about 8 minutes, but I felt like centuries.

The nurse asked me if I could walk. I said yes, and she gave me my clothes and let me go to the dressing room myself. I was so weak, and blacked out in the dressing room.They should have been more careful. 

After waking up, I was starving, so I asked the nurse some juice. I choked badly on the first sip due to the throat spray still afftected. I had mild bronchitis for 2 days from that juice.

My experience was unpleasant, but I wanted to share with you, who don't want or can't have sedation. A simple thing, but very helpful is to tell your doctor to give as many breaks as they can rather than rushing it. When they stop, try to breath right away. I know that I should focus on breathing, but it is impossible to do so when I gag. Also tell the nurse that they have to make sure you're fully recovered from the procedure.

PS: Please forgive my broken English, which is not my first language.

No need to apologise for your English, it is very good. There are many native English speakers who don't reach your standard !

 

Amen to that, PanPilot! I sometimes lose the will to live when trying to read posts from native English speakers!

ntpk77, I think you were incredibly brave to suffer all that without fighting back. I had inadequate sedation that left me wide awake but badly confused, and it took six people to hold me down!

Still, at least the examination served its purpose if they found the cause of all your symptoms (as it did in my case as well). It sounds as if you're suffering a lot of stress if you have so many ulcers. I hope you'll get the treatment you need now, and perhaps some help in caring for your son - though I know from experience that help for carers is in short supply on both sides of the Atlantic.

Best wishes,

Lily

Thank Lily and PanPilot for approving my English. I feel sorry for you about the inadequate sedation. That would be the worst scenario.

Breathing is the key to help reducing gagging. When you were partially sedated, you could neither control your breaths nor follow instructions. Many people feel fine as soon as the scope pass their throat. That wasn't my case. Every time the doctor moved the tube up and down, I gagged badly as my esophagus fought to reject the foreign object. After gagging a few times, it was terrifying me anymore. Feeling like being suffocated the the worst experience of all. Physiologically breathing and gagging can not happen at the same time.That's why doctors should stop sometimes so patients can take a breath.  However when you feel like you almost die from suffocation, you will gasp, controlled by the involuntary nervous system. 

Thank Lily for wishing me well with treatments and helps. I have support here in the US for the care of my son, but I couldn't find any one available with such a short notice. Even though stomachache was the original reason I saw my doctor, but it wasn't the reason that my GI specialist ordered an urgent EGD. I waited for over 2 months for the appointment with the GI specialist. She reviewd my case and tests prior to the meeting. The minute she entered the room, she asked if I was aware that I have lost 15 lbs in the past 2 months. She wanted me to have the endoscope as soon as possible. Yet we found the reason for my stomachache, we don't know what make me losing weight and anemic. I wasn't brave Lily, but I have greater concern to worry about.

For those who hesitate to undergo this procedure, I encourage you to get it done. The benefits of the procedure out weight 5-10 minutes of your discomfort. Without sedation, it's managable and endurable. Keep breathing, people keep breathing.

I was told colonoscopy wasn't painful but I'd need sedation to relax me and pain killer , I wasn't nervous I didn't relaxing and was told scope wasnt painful .

as a result off being misled my trust of scope procedures is su h I won't have another ever I don't honestly care if it's life or death I couldn't walk through endoscopy unit doors let alone have one .

when I explained to doctor who wanted to do endoscopy he almost laughed and said yes but ypud have sedation this time lime it wasn't my choice I was being told to have it ,

I explained I found the idea of sedation even more scary and wasn't nervous he again tried convincing me with patronising stories about 

discomfort and if I couldn't cope I'd get pain killer aswell ,

I ended by saying it's not happening it's just not going to be done I won't do it .

ok another appointment in 2mts time to monitor me ,

so much for being an important can't do without this procedure .

I am 100% serious I will never put myself through sedation or a scope procedure again in my life .