Urogynae appt today after joint colorectal clinic on Friday

Thanks, that's very interesting. I don't think I had the perineal descent before my op. I do seem to remember that the gp felt the rectocele was worse than the original surgeon thought (the one who didnt do the op in the end , the older man). Though when i saw the surgeon this week she said it was big. I only had a rectocele though - certainly nowhere near as much as you are having done.

I agree about making the muscles better. I also have knee problems and the gp is very keen on making the muscles as good as they can be. I cant make the bone better - riddled with arthritis - but can make the muscles better. I fear that the perineum is too stretched out now to ping back. I think my days of pinging back are over! So may end up with surgery.

I do feel more positive now after months of not being so. Maybe it wont get better , maybe it will, but at least now i have seen all the people i can to try to make it better.

I dont blame the original consultant for implying that the surgery would be a cure all. I can see his point of view. Maybe the paradoxical muscle came on after as a bad side effect of the op - one that could not be forseen. I do think this happened after.