What's due to Mirtazapine WD and what's not? ...So very confused :(

Treatment and medication
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Hi all..

I've been feeling terrible; still do. (Thoughts go out to others that are struggling too).

I hope the following makes sense ...just wanted to share my thoughts

I read an old posting of David's (fellow member many will know), this one: [.."I kept tapering to 7.5, and when I stopped, within three days I was in pure misery. That was 18 days ago, and I am still suffering. Abdominal pain, cramps, bloating, insomnia, anxiety, stress, weak, nausea, dry mouth, and others. This is my second attempt, and I am determined to stay off this horrible mess. I now understand why those who abuse drugs sometimes have to admit themselves to special hospitals to detox. The emotional support alone is worth it. My advice to anyone getting off this stuff, or any of the others, if possible, find you a buddy as support that will be there for you 24/7 until you are over the hump, and do it before you start. I hope that this will help someone"...]

The parts in BOLD really really resonate with me!

Thing is, I've become so so very confused now (nothing seems ceratin except my sufferring/pain). I find myself questioning what of my symptoms are related to Mirtazapine/Remeron withdrawal? and what are related to my historical poor mental health/Depression? and what are related to my Thyroid condition (initially Overactive>>made Underative)? and/or my Digenerative Disc Disease (chronic lower back pain)? and what MIGHT be connected to some other undiagnosed 'new' health issue?

The whole situation is complex and confusing.

It seems to me that whereas say a motor car is taken to the carage and goes through a lenghty diagnostic check ..I (many of us) have but a short chat with our GP/Doctor who then prescribes whatever is the med of the moment before being sent home to analyse myself/ourselves. 

SURELY thorough and correct diagnosis with close monitoring and evaluation by extremely capable and knowlegeable clinical practioners is key? (the type of support that a celebrity drug addict might get after going into rehab or a therapeutic clinic/retreat etc).

The recession, economic cuts here in the UK have resulted in many sufferers of poor menta health just not getting the care/support/resources they are so much in need of.

I feel so alone and in the dark ..and helpless  [sad]

Kind regards, Karl

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hey karl just saying hi..you sound so down so sending you a big hug from wales.....these drugs are just awful seem to suck the life out of you...im experiencing the same but not coming off them at mo.........feel very in the dark and sad...but here wooping you up...just got dressed for first time in days whats that about....stay strong here anytime ok xx

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So kind Lesley ...who would believe just getting dressed or leaving the house was an impossible task sometimes. I think the cruelist of all ailments/disabilities is poor mental health ...whether linked to withdrawal or not.

Thanks for the concern and hug ..really Thankyou Lesley ...try and be extra kind to yourself today!

Peace to all...

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agreed Karl who whold have thought that doing normal things would be a huge effort...i havent left the house since saturday but i guess we have to keep plodding on says she...lol..........you be kind to yourself too ..hear me!!......peace at ya  

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the closest i can describe it is frozen unable to do anything except think shame the brain isnt frozen thats the wierd thing i think...its a ..was gonna swear but im sure you know where i am coming from too!!!

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Hi Karl. I too feel your pain. I am involved with a local self-help group for people with mental health issues, and it has been invaluable in helping me to get through the bad patches. We have a website, and a weekly Drop-in where we can talk together about anything under the sun or do art, crafts, whatever. Some members say the Drop-in is what gets them out of the house, and I find it useful to discuss medications too. Is there anything like that in your area, where you do not need to feel so alone? Just an idea.

I'm rooting for you

Pixie

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I hear ..I understand ...and of course empathise with you (as I know you and others do)... Gotta experience it to know it!

God do I feel lousy ..wish I could do something normal and super exciting ...like wash up or fold some clothes or step outside my house!

Those that NEVER suffer with their mind ...are truly lucky!

Peace ..love and best wishes Lesley

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yes Karl those people are truly lucky..im with you on wanting to fold clothes come on do it i will fold mine teamwork!!!!

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Pixie thankyou ..

I am in England UK and what with the financial cuts NHS and Community Groups funding ...services, resources etc has been badly effected.

Things ..I mean support just isn't what it should being my humble opinion.

I guess its a post/zip code lottery ...it all depends where one lives ...and wherever they are even able/strong enough to get past their front door.

Have I made sense? ..pls forgive if I haven't ...pretty lousy period for me.

Much peach and gratitude!

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Thanks Lesley!

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Hi Karl, Reading your post Im just thinking did you start WD with the help of your GP??  You sound in such a lot of distress. I myself have some of your health issues one being thyroid,you'd be surprised the problems that can cause,so get that checked out.   Also if you have mental health issues WD from Mirtazapine could be bringing some of them issues back.

I suggest you go back to your GP or health worker and discusse the problems you've got.

Comeing off Mirtazapine is not easy for anyone,but for people with mental health problems it could be worse because you may have them problems returning.        Please get yourself checked out,I hate to think of you suffering needlessly.   Big Hug  Take Care 

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gwann u can do it  if i can you can...even if you aint done it for a while...ive decided to try and do something every day after doing nothing at all for 4 days except hiding under a blanket wishing the world would go away........mite go and stare at the dishes now.......i thought giving up was an option but after 4 days of going crazy i am going to attempt something.....or my muscles will fade away...good luck try and fold those clothes or something even though its hard....im with you mate..peace and love

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I hear u Lesley ...and I respect the efforts you're making after 4days..

I didn't do the clothes ..but I did try and have some late breakfast ( Inspite of not eating properly and having zero appetite)...sadly after trying a small bowl of bran I felt nauseous and got sick. It just couldn't stay in my stomach. Now I'm back in my bedroom feeling sickly on top of my general lousyness.

If money was no object, I would much prefer to be in a mental heal clinic being looked after properly and monitored ...the comfort alone of being around other sufferers would be worth it I think.

Gonna try and meditate now ..TRY

Karl x

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oh no Karl sickness a withdrawal symptom ive read it all hence  bit worried bout coming off them but really want myself back...so youre not able to eat either...thats madness after you seem to eat so much when you taking them ...horrible drug.........hope you can chill in yer bedroom without too much horribleness...agreed it would be beter to be in a clinic sometimes...hang in there buddy.....still no dishes here...hugs from us all on here as you know 

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go meditate do it.......whats to lose it might help...positive vibes at ya

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Hi Karl,

I've just replied to you on another discussion but we'll switch to this new one shall we.  

Did you feel this bad before you started your withdrawal 9 days ago?  In my humble opinion, 15 mg down to zero in 9 days is rather quick.  There are some very wise folk on here, Rose in particular, Kathy 56977 and Norma 72045 spring to mind ... read their stories about wd and maybe, just maybe you could take ONE step back rather than a big jump.  Rose said she recommended staying with 7.5 for MONTHS (6 to be precise) and then 3.75 for the same.  

David jumped/cold turkeyed hence his anguish and pain; we're all praying for him and hoping he will get in that photo one day soon!  Be kinder to yourself than you think you should with this wd. A rapid WD has the ability to bring back the very symptoms that you took if for in the first place, no flipping wonder you're confused.  

I wish you well and hope I havn't been too harsh, I can't help thinking that with a little slower timing you can get this right for yourself.

Namaste my friend 

 

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I get your point ..and I think I agree.

I think I simply underestimated Mirtazapine/Remeron ...such a tiny pill? And (not 100% convinced as I'm so confused) IF it is soley WITHDRAWAL from this drug that I've been experiencing AND STILL experiencing ....MY GOD!

Like David suggested in one of his posts ...people suffering like this should be allowed FREE admittance into a Residential Clinic so they can be fully supported, evaluated and monitored.

I cannot even leave my bedroom ..my day is spent in pain and worst still fighting demons that continually attack my mind ...what little of my resolve, motivation, self esteem, optimism seems all but gone!

Its SAD that in 2015 and living in the UK ...I've been getting more advice and love and support online from souls I've never met.

Excuse my negativity...

Much love n peace n thsnks

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Karl, DONT KEEP SUFFERING,  Ring your GP or 111 or even the Samaratians but don't sit there alone and suffering.

you can get some help if you ask for it.

            PLEASE ASK 

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Thanks Norma ..

Help of my GP? no

When it comes to Mental Health matters, personsl experience has made it difficult to be trusting of my GP ...or MOST GPs; particular those that are quick to prescribe without fully explaining the risks etc, and who operate with cash strapped services and moreover who have no real personal experience/empathy where MH is concerned.

Thing is this forum offers me more advice, support and comfort through people like YOU!

Please forgive any ignorance and negativity on my part ...feeling real low at this point.

Many thanks and kindest regsrds

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Oh Karl, I am so sorry you are going through this. It's a spiderweb and I feel your pain of being lost and alone.

I felt this way until I went to my ER here in Toronto. I had taken an overdose the weekend before and woke up on a Monday realizing that it was just plain stupid. That was the turning point for me. I finally got the help and support I needed (weekly psychiatric appointments, review of meds etc.).

You may have to just walk in to your ER and tell them what's going on. Hold nothing back. If they dont SEE how you suffer, they wont be able to mark your case as urgent.

That's at least what I have learned for the last 6 months. Stiff upper lip wont get me any where. Sometimes it needs a bit acting to actually make sure that the person in front of you realizes in what a bad place you are.