Hi all, I'm back to a health group I was on some yrs back and am refreshed with some of the new inputs.....
I've talked about my OA knee and not wanting surgery and looking at Prolozone and Prolotherapy and it was good to hear this from a therapist in Malaysia...I have had some good results with Prolo but never did Prolozone which is very different therapy....here is what he said...so gives me more encouragement to attempt ozone for the knee. I'm so glad I went back over to this group....
Hi, I am a therapist from Malaysia,
I would like to share about few of therapies that i have found to work on thousands of my patient for most orthopaedic problems.
1. Prolozone/ Ozone Discolysis
2. Platelet Rich Plasma (PRP)
3. PRP Prolozone
4. Stromal vascular fraction (Autologous Adipose Derived Stem cells)
These are cell therapy and ozone therapy which is considered "off label" in Malaysia. its a safe, very fast result and patient will feel significant improvement only with one session. I would say it is a very worth last resort option before surgical intervention.
Wow Joy this is what we need to be thinking of. I had nothing from my consultation for HA injections. Told me there was no evidence to say it was any better than NSAIDs. So lightened my wallet without giving me any treatment other than to say I had better mobility than him. Yeah right drugged up on painkillers. Soon as they wear off I'm crippled. I would think that combined therapy very expensive as they're using your own fat cells and would draw those off, centrifuge or whatever they do and re inject. I've been offered HA 2ml jab for about 700usd. 2ml!!! Let's face it surgeons aren't going to let go of the THR business easily unless it yields equal rewards. Maybe a you've said previously what is just is. ..
Good morning Joy,
What with your past issues I certainly hope this works for you. Now the trick is to find someone with the skill and knowledge that can help you with this treatment....best of luck and will be thinking of you Joy,
Patricia from toronto
how exciting joy!
i'm really pleased for you. all your explorations are reaping a reward. this sounds like a very realistic prospect.
i love ozone therapy for so many things...particularly treating swimming pools instead of chlorine and even for treating damp and mold in cupboards...often necessary to get to the root cause of autoimmunity.
Just don't breathe in the ozone gas...if treating cupboards the room has to be sealed. I guess one switches off the electric supply to stop operation via the fuseboard...and opens windows (left closed but unlocked) to clear the fumes from the outside. anyway this may be irrelevant to your consideration but thats what I know about ozone...oh and the hole in the layer between us and outer space!! Biggest around New Zealand I gather.
I appreciate how concerned you are to avoid surgery. This does sound realistic. Any other prospects for consideration?
Very excited for you Joy!
Hi all, we have a YMCA swimming pool in our city that is ozone treated, so there are many positive benefits to ozone and HOPE it works for this knee.....I keep dragging my feet to do it for "fear" it will not work and it's costly.....but the above comments from Malaysia are more encouraging....
So maybe before the new year or soon after, I still feel good some days and after walking longer I get achy and weary.....but I HOPE I'm on the right track....thanks again. joy
I went thru two complete sessions of the HA injections, and Medicare paid for most and I had some copays, they bill Medicare a lot of money, but they didn't work for me......
There are HA supplements and I've done low and high doses and didn't do much if any.....maybe being on them much longer could help but don't know.....
For now I continue with glucosaime sulfate, ligament supplement and primrose oil and omega 3's for sure.....and topicals and knee support...I manage but only think with age things will not turn around, but closer to the prolozone.... Joy
oh darn, I just posted a nice long reply and it didn't post....I'll try again later....darn darn darn. j
I think that 'the world' starts to realize that cutting and scraping in a human body may not be the best form of 'healing'. I too prefer gentler methods, provided they are safe.
Do you also know what the further thoughts are with this therapy?
Hanny, I'm not sure what you mean by "further thoughts"... My plan is to do this soon for my knee if not this year early next year. My plan is not for knee surgery.....
Marey, you mentioned ozone for other areas of purification....our local WMCA swimming pool is purified by ozone vs chlorine....so that is a good thing....I don't go there but I know this.. I don't feel stable walking around a pool area and getting in and out of a pool....
For now, I continue with the glucosamine sulfate, the ligament supplement I've talked about, primrose oil and omega 3's and my topicals and knee support....some days my knee is better than others....
But hearing what the therapist in Maylasia said is encouraging....I've read pros and cons here in the U.S. and know prolozone is used in many countries: Germany, Russia, Cuba and probably the UK also and probably others in Europe..
Too too bad the insurance industry doesn't buy into something that could work for us and not cause harm. Joy
think hanny was interested to follow this subject joy, hanny is not a native english speaker but you'd bearly know.
actually hanny i have been meaning to ask about where you come from your ethnicity and first language. that would be fascinating to know. should you feel like sharing..no obligation of course!!
oh joy i started a nice discussion for you but its been deleted. keep calm now!!
Hi Joy have you ever looked into borax? (boron) I will inbox you a link as I can't put it here.
That would be so great - ozone treated swimming pool. Would that illiminate bacteria sufficiently for LS people to swim in, I wonder?
Would swimming in water treated that way help for your knees?
I'm taking Omega 3 for the longest time, but wouldn't be able to tell whether it makes a difference or not.
Kellie, I know about borax and use a tad in my MSM drink daily, don't know if it helps or not...some others on another health group told me about borax vs boron to use...I have a box of 20 mule team borax and use a tad every day in my morning drink.
I don't know WHY my good long message was deleted again....,makes me want to run away and not bother posting my feelings. J
You have a critical point - insurance industry's willingness. It's often short term thinking. Treating symptoms and not healing. Etc. Too little long term vision.
Further thoughts: I was curious. What does ozone do exactly - that it can help your knees and that surgery can be avoided? I understand that it kills harmful bacteria. What else can be the effect of using ozone?
My mother's generation was very aware of it's importance. Then came 'stronger methods' and such and simpler, cheaper solutions seemed forgotten. The world may regret overruling the simpler and cheaper.
Hang in Joy, and keep trying.
Have had some messages disappear as well. Innocent text really. Wonder whether there is a flaw in the program's automatic set-up somehow, that 'eats them'. (ha) (like socks in the washing machine)
Hanny, ozone won't rebuild my knee but will HOPEFULLY keep me more pain free and able to walk and remove some stiffness. Removing everything from the knee via surgery, removes so much that can be good too.
Why Ozone Therapy? Because scientific studies have proven that Ozone, properly introduced into the body in repeated applications inactivates viruses, bacteria, fungi, protozoa and carcinomas in diseased cells! *
How Does Ozone Therapy Work?
Ozone therapy has been in use for many years by thousands of West German doctors who claim, in hundreds of scientific and clinical studies, that they are able to inactivate AIDS and other viruses and cancer through ozone therapy. They explain that diseased cells have a lowered enzyme count in their cell wall or ‘lipid envelope'.
Looking at a diseased cell electrochemically, the first thing that differentiates it from normal cells is that the protein coating that surrounds it is contoured distinctly. The disease that has invaded the cell is parasitical, drawing off the cellular electricity or ‘life force' of its host. This creates ‘cell stress' and under these conditions, the cell can only manufacture a substandard protein coating for itself. When ozone is introduced into the blood in correct, stable concentrations ** it is immediately converted into hydroxyperoxides and other beneficial free radical scavengers. ***
Why don't we do a thread on Chit Chat, something like:
Where do we hail from and a bit about us? I'd like that and know a little more about the people we talk to every day. J
Does make good sense, Joy. The body will then be able to heal itself, so to speak. Much better alternative when it does help. Very much worth trying. And many have gone before you, good sign.
I hope you will be able to access this option.
Thanks for your explanation.
Gen, I had the HA injections in this narley knee a few yrs apart and they never did anything, just made pharma richer as Medicare paid out lots of money for these injections that did nothing....There are HA capsules you could TRY, I've done this with both low and high dosing and don't think it helped much if any.
What is your MAIN issue? J
Joy I am trying to avoid THR as my unoperated side is quickly deteriorating. I had hoped that HA might delay by lubricating the joint. The surgeon wwho saw Me knew what I wanted and had the xray. And in agreeing to see me I thought we were going ahead. He said to wait until I couldn't walk. Waste of Time and money. But why not do something before you need surgery if you've been diagnosed with progressive osteo arthritis and need permanent painkillers. Both sides now equally painful and I can't walk for more than 20 mins max even with painkillers.
fascinating to follow this x