"You're not depressed"... and so on

Coming here as often as I have been over the past few weeks, I've seen a lot of people with different problems but fundamentally can be linked to depression and anxiety; people complaining of physical symptoms, unable to cope at the minute and so on.

I became disillusioned last week whenever it seemed that the advice I was giving was less tailored to the individual and more "copy and paste from Word" - in other words, the mistake a lot of therapists make in assuming one size fits all. The feedback I received from people was positive and I'm glad that whatever advice I gave to help you cope with anxiety and/or depression was helpful but coming here every day, seeing new people, to give the same advice to, is just too time consuming for me when I have a life away from this website. I ask why I care when I gain no sense of reward from of it other than self-satisfaction, and I resent giving people the same advice time and time again when people and their problems deserve so much more - from me, from society, from the services.

I think, ultimately, when it comes to the depression aspect - everybody's problems are different and exceptional but what links those people is the fact that they come here, and because they come here, they aren't completely 'at the end'. They think they are but they aren't self aware that every second they spend talking on here, the less time they spend alone contemplating suicide, and if they were serious about their depression, they simply wouldn't be here talking. They would make no attempt to engage with anybody. They would do, as most animals do in the last throes of their lives, quietly shift somewhere else and perform whatever selfish act they wish on their own in their own company.

I think the fact people are here talking means their depression isn't really as severe as they might think, and that whatever force of inner strength brought them here to talk, is what those people who 'think' they're depressed should cling to as a means of getting out there and creating something for themselves.

Depression, fundamentally, is a form of grief related to the loss of self – we're confronted by a lot of sociological and cultural shifts that we've been forced to conform to but aren't what we've naturally evolved to accept.

Proof of that is in the fact that more people now than ever are diagnosed with depression; it's not about 'increased awareness' or the fact that 'depression didn't exist before; we just got on with it' – it's about the fact that we are simply reacting, naturally, to a cultural shift that is opposite to our being in a hunter gatherer sense/the need to build/to 'create'.

In this day and age, in our culture, most people are either worker ants or not, consumers working for whatever reason until we reach the age of retirement, and then just die, and if you start becoming self-aware of this, it can be immensely depressing to look at yourself, years before your planned retirement and say, “who am I?” and not be able to provide an answer.

Lifestyle changes, investing time in hobbies, doing things, being creative – that's what humans are good at. That's what we 'do'. When we lack that, we have nothing. When we sense we have nothing, we become depressed.

Create something for yourself to prevent the depression. Look inwards at what sense of fulfilment you lack. DO something about it.

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this is so possitive well said! i have found sometimes when listening to peoples depression it drags me down! to the extent i start believing im depressed! well said! 

Ok but some therapists realise that each person is an individual so please do not generalise with this. Some have lots ofs qualifications but are naive and not streetwise and would never be any good. They vary just as each "patient" varies.

I think whenever I first came here, I came to divulge knowledge I'd learned through years of suffering from depression and anxiety; particular focus on alternatives to medication, breathing techniques and so on.

These days, I've become so disillusioned by it to the point where it's almost forceful; the unhelpful attitude of, "oh just pull yourself together, will you!?"

I've said the same thing to so many people on here it's not even funny. Uniformly, 100% positive feedback too - particularly with regards to the advice on anxiety. My job is done sort of thing.

And yet I come back here after a period of absence and it just continues. I so, so, so hate giving people the same advice when advice like that I'm giving should be tailored to them and their needs, but then I think, actually, fundamentally, all of these people are having the same struggles. Life struggles.

It's not about a mythical "chemical imbalance" - you are NOT suicidal. You just need to re-examine your purpose in life; work out what it is you enjoy and don't enjoy; what gives you a sense of achievement and do more of it; what gives you a sense of apathy and do less of it.

And to think, nobody in their lives has said that - no GP, no therapist. It's "Oh I'm having side effects to medication and my chest hurts!" - Why are you even taking medication in the first place? Have you no tools or skills that you have developed, through life, to be able to help you in times of anxiety? Have you even tried alternative therapies BEFORE somebody suggests medication?

I'm more shocked by people's ignorance towards themselves than anything else - that total and complete lack of self awareness. That's the real depression there; the inability to know oneself.

You're replying to one incidental aspect of a much greater picture.

depression is hard when ur there but we have to help our selfs i have tried to help many on here and other sites only to end up feeling worse

I think the problem I had was that I found myself trying to help others more, without any sense of reward (aside from self-satisfaction), than I was focusing on my own life, and in doing so fed the unhelpful addiction of wanting to 'care'.

I mean, I can give as much advice on coping with depression, anxiety, personality disorders, and eating disorders as most therapists but it's just not my job, or my life, you know?

Would be great to help everybody and I wish I could but there's just so many people out there who have 'that' problem that I just wish this thread could provide an answer to prevent them from thinking too deeply and ruminating over what their 'condition' is and doesn't help them with.

wow boing i can relate to this so much! i would try and help others with what i have learnt with no reward but feeling drained . its not my job im a normal lady dealing with the struggles of life! reading your post confirmed how i have been feeling! drained . sometimes you have to watch it doesnt rub off on us 

Well said but im afraid that can only help those who are only depressed but for those like me who have agoraphobia as well its not so easy making lifestyle changes and even those that might start yoga or buy an home gym or even work from home still wont help overcome the fact that were scared of going outside now personally i think me suffering from agoraphobia is stupid because i love been outside its just getting outside thats the problem.

Big mistake to assume you can help as much as a therapist. Very unlikely to be true. Take a bad therapist and then it may be true, but some are very good and not bad at all. And externalising is what many people who cannot sort themselves out do. Instead of recognising that they need more professional help and going out and getting it they prefer to think that they can help others and avoid their own issues by talking to others as though they know the answers. Have come across it many times.

It is a case of the blind leading the blind very often.

If you are not sorted you cannot sort out someone else.

It would be like a person who has lots of debts and who cannot handle money advising you on how to save.

Therapist ethics and subjective experiences dealing with them is a matter for another thread Carmel, but thank you for your contribution.

You are talking about how to be happy, which is totally different to depression, and you are externalising.

So you start a thread that says you know more than a therapist but nobody else is allowed to point out the flaw in this or have an opinion? That in itself shows you have a lot of issues.

p.s. You may ramble on or get angry but I wont bother to respond. Unlike some on here I have a life and actually help real people in the real world.

Thank you Carmel smile

i think you replied to the wrong person.

I am only going to say that the last time I was seriously suicidal I was planning how to do it over a couple of weeks.  I racked my brains then remembered a friend who had been on ad's but come off them.  I made up some cock and bull story to her (she had no idea I wanted  to kill myself) and she let me have them.  Suicidal folk are very clever.  I took the lot on my own one evening and woke up 2 days later still on my own.   I was much too depressed to think about 'tools' or how to get myself out of it without help.  

I did seek help after that and the meds I took enabled me to see things more clearly and to make some changes.  But in the depths of depression you don't think about that.  

Yes, thank you Carmel.

When it comes to your case, Hypercat, you're one of these people I'm describing when I say "listen, if you're struggling, if you are depressed - suicidal, even - you won't be on here talking because you'll be off, busy elsewhere trying to kill yourself"

The attitude you have when you are depressed is the same as mine - I'm just a shell, there is nothing inside me, what is the point of me? etc, and seeing through that is immensely difficult. You are, on the other hand, still alive which must mean you have some tools and some survival instinct. Mine is accepting what I have, what I feel and that, in time, it will pass - it's something I developed through years of hard work, surviving (actually) 3 seperate suicide attempts before realising I'm too intelligent and strong to do it properly and for good.

I think the people this thread is directed at are those who wish to tell us how depressed they are when in reality aren't depressed; just unhappy, bored, lack some sense of fulfillment, need to re-examine their lifestyle a bit; whatever. The sort of advice I give to these people is guided self-help more than anything else. I'm not a counsellor or a therapist (do you think I'd be here if I were?), I've just developed a very particular set of skills to deal with depression and anxiety over the years, have done a lot of self-examination, research, and have been told that all of the methods I use for coping with depression and anxiety are wrong by just about every so-called professional I've ever met (approx 30 of them in 15 years) and yet somehow, miraculously, I've come out of the other side. I can imagine it must be quite challenging for professionals to hear that I've achieved all that I've achieved without their help.

When it comes to the clinical side of depression, I understand perfectly what you mean. Those feelings of total demotivation; the sense that the only light you can bear to see on that particular morning is the subdued daylight that attempts to penetrate the curtains you have closed only to find itself struggling to find itself through the filter of the quilt that covers your face. In fact, you can't think of anything worse than opening your eyes. In fact, whether you open your eyes or not won't make a difference because you're too busy thinking about what is the best and most efficient way to never have the ability to open your eyes again.

I know. I've been there. Which pains me all the more when I see thread after thread of hypochondriacs who fundamentally aren't struggling as much as others; it's akin to wasting a GP's time because you have a mild cough - these are the people who just need to have their heads banged together. They need support all the same, but it's a far more simplistic approach. Those with real problems, I can usually see from what they describe. They're the ones who get private messages and real support. They're the ones who don't even make it to the GP surgery because they're in the hands of the crisis team.