Carvedilol

Hello all, anyone have any side affects from this drug.  My doctor wants to use this to bring my pressure down.   Top number running in the 160s over 115s.    I ended up in emergency, blurry vision, slurred speech, dizziness.  All symptoms cleared up by the time i reached hospital.       Test result- 1st called it TIA then decided it was a stroke but mild.  No effect   On speech, eyesight, or movement.  All info appreciated.  Dr wants me to also take statins, baby aspirin , and blood thinners.   Tot cholesterol 263, Trig 63; HDl 63; LDL 188; VLDL 12 & LDL/HDL ratio 3. 

Hi, I have been on Carvedilol for many years. And as of lately I've noticed some nights I have insomnia . It doesn't always happen the minute I put my head down on my pillow my brain will not shut off. And although they say if you don't have side effects right away it's probably not the medication I don't believe that at all because sometimes it takes maybe years it builds up in your system and this is what happens I have weakness in my legs leg cramps pain horrible it's not as bad as amlodipine which is the worst of worst and I take that

Well, as far as the Carvedilol goes, a beta blocker alone is not typically a very effective BP drug.  Did you also have tachycardia - pulse rate over 120?  Beta blockers are better for that.  In the US we typically are prescribed at least two or three BP meds for anything like your numbers - if those numbers persist.

If the high numbers do not persist, then the beta blocker is probably meant more to calm you down than to address the BP directly.  And for all I know, that might be a good thing, you might be the better judge there.

Your LDL is too high of course, but just tossing on the statin is not an automatic fix.  Need to look into your diet too.  And if you take the statin I hope they also advised you to take CoQ10 supplement as well.  But that's all outside of this list's topics!

I agree with what you said about BP drugs usually prescribed more as a 'calm down"...slow the heart a little because of anxiety, etc. Once the heart slows, the bp comes down, but the drug alone is not enough to reduce elevated bp. 

Here in Canada, doctors will prescribe a 'start off' medication...but with numbers as high as what has been written here, they would most likely prescribe a med along with a diuretic, then increase things when/if needed. It's better to titrate upwards than to start off too high thereby putting the patient at risk for side effects., which can make them feel worse than the ailment itself.

Also to address your question, beta blockers as a class have some mild side effects, from increased dreaming to higher blood glucose, but carvedilol is one of the newer ones and is supposed to be better, I think.

For the most part they work pretty clearly, too, you don't have to take it and wonder if anything is happening. But a small dose is often enough, while a large dose may calm you a little too much, seem unnatural.

Thanks, Chris.  ....really appreciate your feedback. ...started back up on carvedilol about. 2 Days ago.  Will let you know how it goes. 

I also had side affects from Amlodipine so I can relate to your comments.  Im so thankful I’m no longer taking it.  

Thank you. No problems with pulse. Really appreciate your comments. 

Hi May I ask what side effects you had from amlopidine Thank you

You asked for reactions to Amlodipine. It made my legs swell. I now take Candesartan with no problems. But your diastolic certainly does need to come down and youshould tke your docs advice for a while anyway and see if it works.

Hi, My major side effect was digestive issues. The side effects slowly took over so I did not realize that the pain under my left breast was radiating from near my stomach was caused from taking Amlodipine for over 10 years.  Other side  effects I experienced were a feeling like a knot in my lower and upper intestine (now I think it was causing major constipation thus the knot feeling) burning in stomach, neck/shoulder pain, burning in left arm, and in center of chest.  In fact, the pain cause my doctor to think it was my heart so I had a heart cath but there was no problem with my heart. I started a discussion on Amlodipine if you may want to check that out for more details of my journey with Amlodipine.      

Update since I started Carvedilol:  I believe that Carvedilol causes weight gain and increases glucose.   Since starting this drug less than 1 week, (1st dosages of drug on Thursday 30 Aug) I have gained 6 pounds.  Even more concerning, my morning glucose reading was 123mg/dl.   My morning glucose readings before this drug were 102 or less.  I really need to find a healthier solution to this BP problem.  I know that increase in weight and higher blood sugar can lead to worse problems and even more meds.  Has anyone experienced any of these effects?

@Mesirm, yes, I noticed my beta blocker atenolol raised by BG by ten points or more. 

You want to try something that might help - licorice!  Even a very tiny amount, and you shouldn't ever eat a *lot* of licorice because it has an ingredient that causes problems.  But go out and get just one black licorice whip (make sure the variety you get actually contains licorice, some use anise instead!), or even some tea that has licorice as an ingredient, and see if that doesn't undo the beta blocker effect on your BG.  Then if you like it you can get some "deglycyrrhizinated" licorice without the carbs, and that seems to mostly help, too.

 

If Carvedilol is also causing you weight gain, I guess that is not unknown for beta blockers but you might try reducing your dosage.  I take 1/4 of the lowest dose of atenolol, and that's plenty for me.

 

Mesirm...you have only been on this med for a week. It may take a little longer for things to settle down.

One writer suggested you take a smaller dose of the Carvedilol or whatever. I would never suggest to anyone that they be the ones who increase or decrease their medications!!! The person who is most qualified to suggest such a thing, or to instruct you is your DOCTOR.

If you truly believe the Carvedilol is the culprit of your problems, then by all means discuss this with your doctor.

I wouldn't suggest you start eating licorice either. Sometimes licorice can conflict with medications. 

People mean well, but there are some on these forums who suggest drinking certain teas., eating beet root, garlic, etc...& claim that their bp has been lowered. All well & good, but what if they go on holiday? Do they take this stuff with them? I hardly think so.

Again, I suggest you consult your DR.

I agree that the lower dosage should be discussed with the doctor, I discussed with my doctor before I reduced my own dosage and he agreed.  OTOH if he had disagreed I would have found a new doctor, LOL.

And I do and did emphasize - TINY dose only of licorice as well, if you care to try it. You can discuss that with your doctor too, if you want to see him roll his eyes and mutter something inaudible.

Ok..now things are clearer. I'm glad you did discuss lowering the dosage with your doctor. Some people here in the forum make the statement that they themselves lowered the dosage, & to me, that's playing roullette with your health. 

A lot of doctors out there don't believe in eating licorice, drinking beet juice, etc.etc.etc. as a means of lowering bp because there is no scientific proof that it works. Remember, doctors work on a 'science theory". I've often wondered what the people who do drink all the beet juice, garlic, etc.etc. when they go on holiday.Surely they don't cart all that stuff with them. 

MY doctor wouldn't have said anything about the licorice, or he'd simply make a motion with his mouth, & shake his head slightly as if to say "it won't work". 

If you're into licorice why not try the 'real mccoy".??? Get yourself some licorice bark..it's the real thing, but don't expect it to taste like the black licorice you buy in the store. It looks just like tree bark, but believe me it has a taste all of it's own...AND you need just the tiniest bit.

 

If people want to lower the dose then it is up to them.Medicine is NOT a science, that's the problem.

I totally agree with you and like your attitude. 

yes sensible people would take/stuff' on holiday with them. LOL.

 People have a right to question medication etc. Some people have suffered unnecessarily for fear of upsetting their drs asking questions about medication. Myself included eg benzodiazepine poison.I wish I had taken myself off it four years ago. 

Hi Mike.  Over the years I've tried a number of food and supplement items for various health purposes, and some of them are just as effective as prescription drugs - and yet doctors ignore them.  And I mean immediately effective, not take them for six months and see if you feel better.

For many of them there is plenty of scientific evidence that they work, the active compounds are known, their molecular structure is known, their interaction with the metabolism is known, many rats have given their lives to knowing it.  And yet STILL doctors do not pay attention to them, for the cynical reason that the big pharmacy companies cannot patent food items and charge huge amounts for them, so doctors are not badgered into learning about them and selling them.

Beets, and beet juice, are on that list, BTW.  Although I do not know of any "standardized" version of beets being available, as there are for a number of other naturals.  Which when they are in capsules, are as easily carried as any other medication.

The licorice we normally use I believe comes from the root, so it will look more like turmeric or ginger, other roots, which you can buy in many stores, but is more work to prepare.

Besides beets, shiitake mushrooms, dark chocolate, eggplant will also markedly lower your blood pressure (and/or pulse) inside of four hours, just as surely as any pills.  And like prescription drugs they have a half-life and then your BP goes right back up.  I have not seen these immediate effects with garlic, and I've sometimes eaten just about as much garlic as one would wish to, LOL.

Oh, btw, the prescription *pills* for BP, all that I have seen, also work within hours, none of them benefit from "Oh, take them for six months and see if you feel better", either.  Only a few with a long half-life take even a week to get to full dosage.  So if your doctor gives you some humbug about "... and we'll see the results at your next appointment in six months", they have not even read the package inserts on the drugs they are prescribing.

At this point I think it is just one of those problems with the way medicine is being practiced, that most physicians don't know much about diet, food, or common supplements.  There are hazards to them as well.  So physicians will shift you off to "dieticians" who generally lack the scientific training to really tell you much about anything, or even worse "naturopaths" who are supposed to know slightly more about effective foods and supplements, and even have state certificates in many places - but also lack a real medical background.  I want it all in one person!  And considering how *obviously* effective some of these things are, when the doctor just starts mumbling, I am not impressed.