Bonjour à tous, je bois beaucoup de vin tous les jours. Pensez-vous que cela va empirer les choses ? C’est tellement tentant car cela me rend tellement plus calme. Je m’inquiète vraiment à ce sujet. Est-ce que quelqu’un d’autre fait la même chose ?
Avec amour, Caroline xxx
Yes!!! Me!!!
it calms me RIGHT DOWN...
I also fear how it's going to effect me ESP as I have major digestive issues too...
the problem being two wines used to clam me down but now it's four....
feel free to send me a private message if you like 
im actually very depressed since all this started, I can't bear to be alone so sometimes I turn to wine which is so bad 
Bonjour Ellacraig, je suis exactement dans le même cas. Je viens de commencer la thérapie hormonale, donc je me dis que dès que ça va commencer à faire effet, je vais aller mieux et je n’aurai plus besoin de vin. Je ne veux pas arrêter complètement, juste réduire. Mon anxiété a commencé en décembre, donc je pense que maintenant elle commence à me rendre déprimé aussi.
Si je pouvais dormir, ça m’aiderait peut-être. Comment dors-tu ?
Xxx
Hi. Well if I drink too much.... I wake up very dehydrated and I wake up soo ashamed of myself
im not on anything ie hrt but I swear I'm close to asking for anti anxiety meds...
im in the early stages too. I swear I got home today and just cried my eyes out, I hate being alone since all this started.
welk I hope the hrt helps you I really do, this is no sort if life.
i myself am trying natural pills which take longer etc unfortunately 
Ne vous sentez pas honteux !! C’est un outil de coping. Qui peut nous en vouloir vraiment quand nous nous sentons si mal ? N’avez-vous personne à qui parler ? N’hésitez pas à m’envoyer un message à tout moment. Consultez votre médecin pour des médicaments. Je prends aussi des antidépresseurs. J’ai eu du Valium, mais j’ai peur de le prendre car je ne veux pas devenir accro. Xx
Hi Caroline
I really sympathise with you and u know how tempting it can be to tranquillise yourself with wine but in the long run it WILL make you feel worse. Alcohol is a depressant. Although it is a temporary fix it will suck you down into a spiral. I know it sounds really trite and clichéd but please try to find another relaxation technique that suits you. Take care my friend
Anita x
Thanks Caroline il do that. I don't know about you but I have a beautiful daughter who just doesn't understand what I'm going through. I try to keep composed with her around but at times I fail. Poor kid has the soul of a much older child because of me and I feel aweful as a result
I detest drugs but I hear them calling me... :s
Thanks though glad I'm not alone
Dear caroline,
I like a tipple but i wonder if it makes my anxiety worse plus i always feel panicky after the week end when im likely to have a tipple, plus lack of sleep makes me worse plus caffeine! I think the combination of them is a catalyst to my anxiety. I recently tried to cut the caffeine down because i was getting panic attacks. I prob do feel abit calmer but i enjoy these things and would be down right miserable if i couldnt have them! X
Bonjour pinkcatfairy,
Je suis d'accord, je traverse une période d'anxiété et cela me rend peut-être un peu plus nerveuse, donc le vin est une échappatoire bienvenue. Prends soin de toi xxxx
Non seulement vous vous faites plus de mal que de bien, mais vous n’êtes pas censé(e) boire d’alcool pendant la thérapie hormonale (HRT). Je publie ici des informations médicales de l’association contre le cancer du sein, qui indiquent ce qui suit :
Les recherches ont montré que la consommation d’alcool et la prise de thérapie hormonale (HRT) peuvent toutes deux augmenter le risque de cancer du sein. Une grande étude a combiné ces deux facteurs en examinant l’effet de la consommation d’alcool pendant la prise de HRT sur le risque de cancer du sein.
L’étude a suivi pendant 20 ans les habitudes de consommation d’alcool et l’utilisation de la HRT de plus de 5 000 femmes danoises. Les chercheurs ont constaté :
La consommation d’alcool sans prise de HRT n’a pas vraiment affecté le risque de cancer du sein.
Les femmes ménopausées qui prenaient de la HRT ET buvaient 1 ou 2 verres d’alcool par jour avaient un risque de cancer du sein 3 fois plus élevé que les femmes qui ne buvaient pas et ne prenaient pas de HRT.
Les femmes ménopausées qui prenaient de la HRT ET consommaient plus de 2 verres d’alcool par jour avaient un risque de cancer du sein 5 fois plus élevé que les femmes qui ne buvaient pas et ne prenaient pas de HRT.
La consommation d’alcool augmente les niveaux d’œstrogènes. Il est possible que l’excès d’œstrogènes provenant de la consommation d’alcool combiné à ceux présents dans la HRT ait causé les augmentations spectaculaires du risque observées dans cette étude.
La revue médicale est beaucoup plus longue, mais j'ai seulement posté la page 1, juste pour que vous puissiez lire pourquoi les médecins ici vous disent de ne pas boire d'alcool pendant la thérapie hormonale. Je me souviens que mon médecin m'avait dit de ne pas boire, mais comme je ne suis pas buveuse, cela ne posait pas de problème pour moi. Vos cellules crient probablement : « Arrête ! Tu nous empoisonnes », mais vous n'écoutez pas. Trop de femmes pensent que c'est un jeu de prendre des risques avec leur vie en buvant pendant qu'elles prennent des médicaments. Ce n'est que lorsqu'elles sont diagnostiquées avec un cancer qu'elles réalisent qu'elles ont fait une erreur, ou certaines ne le réalisent jamais, tandis que d'autres préfèrent rester dans le déni, ne voulant pas croire les informations médicales qui leur ont été données. Faites ce que vous voulez, mais sachez que la chimiothérapie ramène tous vos symptômes dix fois plus forts. Bonne chance.
Thank s and you x
Hi caroline
Yes that happens with me, it is tempting to keep drinking, i think it may be more because its liquid thats calming us not the fact that its booze, our blood volume drops during menopause, due to constant weeing, so, we become thirsty, fatigued, lightheaded off balance, dizzy etc, its because our blood pressure drops, so, drinking any sought of liquid will help bring it back up, but water is best, switch to decaf hot drinks, and plain water, as i think ultimately booze will make us worse in the long run, apart from the fact we are risking becoming alcoholics.............ha
I have never taken HRTS, a few years ago I was drinking moderately a few days a week, I read the data about women and alcohol and its not very good for us period unless its in small amounts, I just quit altogether because I read where weight, alcohol, and HRTS play a key role in breast cancer, as soon as my knee heals I will be back to my exercise routine to lose the weight. I will say this, the emotional toll that menopause wreeks on us is hard and its very tempting to resort to alcohol, I do use other aids to help relieve the tension but not alcohol.
I can tell from how your writing lennie, your petrified about getting breast cancer, My school of 43, she was always over weight at school, but was always active, turns out, she had a underactive thyroid, she is obese now, and had to give up work due to severe spinal injury, so, she is now, more or, less housebound, cant drive at the moment due to problems with her foot, and legs, has a mobility scooter for when shes able to get out, she was a smoker until she developed COPD, which, shes on meds for, shes diabetic, so is on metphormine, constantly on antibiotics due to infections in legs and feet, caused by her immobility, morphine, gabbapetin, trammadol, and ibuprofen for pain, she had a hysterectomy 20 years ago, has been on HRT patches ever since, gets no peri, meno symptoms whatsoever, and with all her health probs, and meds shes on, know one has suggested she comes off it, there is no immediate cancer in her family, genetic, or, hormonal.
The reason im telling you this, is, not to encourage you to take HRT i cant do that incase it doesnt work for you..................but you seem petrified of it causing cancer in you, so would you take it, if there was no risk of that happening, because at the end of the day lennie, we could get cancer anywhere in our body, without taking HRT, so why suffer now, but i understand and its entirely up to you, on the otherhand you sound determined to get fit, and cope with this through alternative lifestyle changes, and if you can do that, then great, im not trying to pressure you, just dont like people to suffer unnecessarily. best wishes xx
L'alcool me affecte terriblement le lendemain. J'avais l'habitude de sortir le week-end, il y a plus de dix ans maintenant. J'adorais les soirées, mais j'ai fini par réaliser que l'alcool me rendait déprimé et que mon anxiété était terrible. J'ai fini par m'en rendre compte et je n'ai plus bu d'alcool depuis des années, sauf à Noël et/ou à des occasions spéciales. En fait, ça me fait peur maintenant de boire. D'après mon expérience, il vaut mieux éviter l'alcool pour plusieurs raisons. Nous nous sentons déjà assez mal comme ça, je détesterais que cela vous rende encore plus mal. Véritable dilemme, nous voulons un peu de soulagement, mais même cela peut avoir des effets néfastes. J'espère que vous pourrez trouver quelque chose pour vous aider x.
HI Elaine, yes, cancer scares the crap out of me, its not due to family or genetics because mom and dad, nor grandparents have it or had it, I was not afraid like this before meno. My best friend died of colon cancer and she was morbidly obese for years and she did eat poorly and she smoked, I am not in that situation, I am overweight, and of course I see it on the news constantly. You are right in everything you said, there are other cancers. And, I think if natural items do NOT work, I will get a mammogram, colonoscopy essentially get myself checked out, which I will do anyway and if it does not get better I may consider the HRTS, you are right about me being petrified. I have changed my eating significantly to address this fear with healthy foods.
Hi Lennie
Your doing everything you should be doing lennie, but yes it could be the fact that your peri that has increased your fears, it is a symptom unfortunately, it can do that. Like you i have an illness, so i have to keep myself as fit as possible, and i am careful with my diet and exercise etc, it is our bodies afterall, and knowone else can do that for us, and if we listen to too much advice from specialists, or, scientists, we would never eat anything again, would we.
Thats great that your family have no history, that is a plus lennie, but very sorry to hear of your loss over your friend. Unfortunately there is quite a bit of cancer in my family, dad, sister, nan and auntie, doesnt always follow you will get it though, but chances are higher for us obviously, but, will cross that bridge if or, when i come to it, not giving an illness like that any of my energy worrying about whether i will get it or, not.
And of course, if you smoke, or, overweight, drs will always blame this, one minute there telling you its ok to eat this and that, 10 years down the line its oops....................sorry its now not, so, what and who are we supposed to believe, I do believe your risk to be high, when both parents have genes for certain illnesses, think its pretty safe bet to say you are then at a very high risk, of developing the same illnesses as a result of that, still doesnt always follow though, you have to live your life!!
Let me know when your post, fingers crossed its soon for you, will always check for your messages.
Best wishes
Elaine .
Hi Elaine, totally agree with you about the family genetic issues, I am blessed that my mom's side is extremely healthy, my grandmother is 100 years old! AND, nothing wrong except glaucoma which I do have, my dad had mental illness and died from heart disease, however, I believe that the mental illness was the real culprit because had he just taken care of himself, got medical care etc he could have addressed this with lifestyle changes and meds, so because of his schizophrenia he did not and so it could have simply been his mental disease which I suspect led to his heart issues. He never went to the dr, did not take his medicine, and ate everything and smoked. But, with diabetes, I realize that heart issues are a risk and I have changed a lot of the food I eat. agree 1000 percent that the fear factor is DIRECTLY related to peri. menopause. I never had this type of fear before. I paid attention but never fear. I think the symptoms created the fear and the fear is out of control. I am seeing someone for it because it is a significant problem. Thank you for your warm thoughts. By the way, I do feel better as far as not being as filled with anxiety.
Hi lennie
Thats sad about your father, it is tragic when people dont look after themselves, yet you can see where they are going wrong, but if they dont meet you half way with you trying to help them,, or visit doctors, what can you do, and our older generation, were like that, they didnt take kindly to the medical profession, and they certainly didnt take to taking pills, so, its understandable, but generations change, were taught to take care more of our own health nowadays, and not rely on drs as much, so the onus is put more on us,i feel, thats partly down to how crap the drs seem to be i know, but with some people, its like they have a death wish,and however much, you try to help them, and get them to try and see sense, they dont!............very frustrating for their grown up children, my mother in law was like this, would not allow us to send for drs, and when the dr came, she refused to go to hospital, even when the drs said, if you dont, you wil die in this house alone, still refused, it was a very frustrating stressful, sad time for us, and it all could have been avoided.
My sister had several phobias as a child, where dogs were concerned that were off leashes, petrified of them, she also had a fear, of walking over bridges, and going up shop escalators, as she got stuck on one once, and during peri, these fears came back, and really went out of control, she was not offered therapy, just meds which, really just controls the symptoms, shes not as bad now shes post and is off her meds also, which is encouraging, and yet, as a person, i consider her to be very strong emotionally, my elder sister on the other hand, who has always been on the nervous side, and doesnt cope well generarlly, whilst, she did have panic attacks, but no childhood phobias, or, new fears, her anxiety only lasted a short time, so you would think if that was going to happen to any of us, it would have been her, doesnt always follow does it............ whilst i did have some panic attacks during early peri, they were few and far between, didnt have any heightened fear over things, and my anxiety was something i could live with, i use to do yoga, where i was taught relaxation and breathing exercises, so, that may account for it, because i have been able to stave the attacks off when i felt them coming on, So i feel for you that it is so bad, especially when you seem a strong person, who seems to have a handle on things as well, just shows you how it can affect people, there seems to be no set rule for any of us.