Gallbladder or not! HELP

Digestive health
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Seb  I have just clicked on Ursodioxycholic acid and this is the first time in a couple of years since I researched that chemical procedure. I was asked by I think Biliariskns if urso helps damaged gall bladders and it appears it does help. All I put onto the address to research was URSODIOXYCHOLIC ACID. There are numerous bonafide research sites for educational purposes. It is seen that bile acid

is a natural product that is stored by the gall bladder. The urso is not only prescribed for the dissolution of gall stones but is given for other clinical problems in the digestive tract in and around the gall bladder as well of course the liver which makes bile.

Research research research = evaluate and decide...... ask ask ask........... Reading is the key to knowledge consult those who are experienced in all aspects of digestion and beware of those who are supposed to know but have never even heard of ursodioxycholic acid==== it's all there

for the reading all of it ! Beware of the possible side effects of urso. Are 'they' allowed to sell it on Ebay??????? =yes they are! best to be under the care of the doctor before and after that chemical course though.....  I  would not do otherwise but be careful.

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Seb as far as I'm aware Liver function tests are the most often used indicator gallbladder disease.

Ultrasound in my experience is very dependent on the person doing it. My first ultrasound was done by an experienced gastrointestinal doctor specifically looking for gallstones the result was my gallbladder was "full" of stones. My second ultrasound was done in hospital after an emergency admission with bilary colic and the result of that one was I didn't have gallstones. The doctor sent me straight back for retest and hey presto the stones were back.

I do genuinely understand weight concerns. I was anorexic from age 13

and was in my late 20s before I could bear to accept being a healthy weight. While many people seem to lose weight with gallbladder issues I gained even though my diet was seriously limited for 2 years. Post op I'm still gaining weight I'm at the top end of the ideal weight range for my age and height and I am very uncomfortable with that.

But realistically I have to balance it against being generally healthy and free from the constant pain and limitations pre op and it really is no contest smile

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Thanks Snowred. I am glad you are feeling better. 

Apparently my liver functions blood tests are fine. So at least that's a good thing. 

I have had weight issues from teenage years. Always on the plump side. And I had 2 kids, moved very far from all family and took comfort in eating food. Not the quantity but the quality! Too much bread and too much chocolate. I lost lots of weight  

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oups sorry it posted before I had time to finish.

I was saying that I lost lots of weight but gained it all again over a ten year period. My fault entirely! But now is time to do something about it and for a more permanent time. I am going to work hard at losing and maintaining my weight.

Anyway let's hope for the best.  

Have a lovely weekend. smile

 

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I'm so sorry you had such a horrendous time. And it looks like you are doing fine now. You have almost got rid of them all, is that right? 

I am going to have a look at urso again as you said. I need to find some time to sit down and have a proper read.

Thank you again for all your help. It needs to talk to other people that have gone through a similar thing.

I am just hoping that they will accept to give me the urso this time.

Have a lovely weekend. smile

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You got a referral on line? By an online GP service? So you can see an infection of your gallbladder better on CT scan! I did not know that.

I don't know why it is so complicated to get anything done here. I will keep looking at all the options. Thank you.

Have a lovely weekend. smile

 

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Seb

hi hope your fairing up to horrible pain ?

yes I did get a referral from an online doctor that’s correct.

and yes you can see infection of the gallbladder better on a ct scan , I did not know this either.

you cannot see infection on ultrasound at all and I quote at all !!

your white blood cell count being elavated is what really determines infection in the gallbladder seb and as I said mine was risking and risking over 3 year period , however the murderous nhs chose to ignore this fact in my case !! I do not understand why ! Unless they wanted me to die of course ,otherwise nothing else makes no sense ?

mine went up to 23 normal range is 4 to 11 in the UK and 5 to 10 in USA .

listen it’s still ongoing my condition and problems .

little too much info really but I’ll tell you anyhow as you may experience this .

my biggest concern now apart from pain that is , is light coloured stools tmi sorry.

but yes I was told I have this because I have a large gallstones blocking the cystic duct gallbladder neck.

and it’s been this way now for 3 years and 4 months so I gallbladder came out or fell out lol sep 14th so 6 months ago yet still I have these stools that are camel 🐪 coloured or tan like peanut butter so how can it have been from the gallstone blocking my cystic duct then mr nhs as I still have it and getting worse .

but their seem disinterested that wonderful nhs so I worry worry worry away !!

repeatly I tell them I’m so worried about my stool colour and they all seem to just shrug their shoulders cos no one wants to talk about s**t in the nhs it’s clearly a taboo subject !!

to be honest , I hope I’m wrong of course but I don’t give myself too long ????

have a wonderful weekend if poss and MOST OF ALL DO NOT LET THEM LIERS THE NHS FOB YOU OFF !!!!!!!!!

 

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Seb

i also tried to get undo was told I could have a go at it over 3 years ago and that also never developed!!

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Oh I didn't realise that you were still suffering. I thought you were mainly sorted out after your operation. I am so sorry. I can't believe that the NHS would leave you to suffer like that. I hope that you find a solution to your problems. Usually the colour of stools that you describe is a gallbladder problem. So could it have anything to do with your liver? I do hope you can keep positive and that you will get better soon.

I know ly bloodwork come back as elevated. For me it seems to be a constant of the last few years. This tile though it seems to be more elevated again. I don't know the exact numbers but I will phone on Monday and try to find out. She did send me to the blood specialist to see why my bloods were elevated but they didn't know. They thought perhaps I was a bit lacking in iron. They did say had a massive infection it would be more elevated. But this time it is more elevated. I would hope that if my GP thought that it were at a  dangerous level that she would act accordingly!

Keep in touch Mrsoscared. All the best.

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Light coloured stools anything from camel to actual yellow are after gallbladder removal most likely bile in the stool. I get a pale stool in fact quite yellow often and I believe this is actually good. It means the excess bile is not sticking to the intestinal walls but being passed. While not everyone has it we don't all produce the same amount of bile. So it is I believe classed as normal when the gallbladder has been removed or is low functioning.

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Snowred

’hi and thank you for that .

the trouble is the information is all so conflicting it just makes me dizzy literally lol.

i was of the understanding however, that yellow stool yes you are correct is excess bile , but that will be accompanied by disantry ? Of which I have never had not even once , in fact quite the opposite.

and yes just always camel colour or very very light tan , that’s me ?

is your camel colour accompanied by disantry ?

and when was yours removed please if I may ask.

i just now went out and brought some sugar digestive enzymes to try as they have ox bile in them so thought ide give them a try see if it makes things better or worse ?

thank you for your input .

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Hi yes your right about the yellow or even chalk like stools ! I have to have the Stone out my bile duct first and then removal  of the gall bladder ! I also have a really bad pain in my back and shoulder too ,I read up on it and sounds like it's related to some type of nerve near the gall bladder ! I've been like this since last October in and out hospital with  very high LFTs's having spent 5 days in hospital before Xmas but nobody thought gall stones I saw so many different doctors too ,so I really thought they should have known so another two nights in hospital having to call ambulance pain was very severe with high temperatures too. Anyway now sorted to have the stones out and obviously gall bladder . But look how much money they could have saved giving me the cat scan ! MRI , xrays too and all those nites taking up a hospital bed .but it does sound like lots of people have had probs with NHS but I have to have faith .  

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Seb

hi again .

now listen please ok 👌 

if your white blood cell count is elavated to say 13 you have a serious infection within your gallbladder 100 percent I guarantee you of this !!

now these are ni c e guidelines for your condition please go on their website and take a look !

you should be , as I should have ,

in hospital on intravenous antibiotics and intravenous fluids and Niall by mouth 👄 until, the infection has calmed down then straight to surgery for gallbladder removal!!

that nice guidelines .

its extremely dangerous to have an ongoing infection in yr gallbladder and it just be left !!

thats going to to turn gangrenous very very fast just as mine did and I had hours to live and was , so far , extremely lucky .

wtf is ever going on with this nhs it’s beyond me seriously!!

go to yr go and tell your go nice guidelines for this condition and ask what they are going to do about it !

 It’s no joke I promise you !!

please go on nice website and find the information their .

the gps simply do not have the first clue about this condition to be honest with you .

like mine said to me afterwards ?

sorry but I’m only a gap not a specialist ???

oh well that’s just fine then isn’t it everything’s just hunky dandy like sugar candy then ah you just put my life at risk because your not a specialist thanks so kindly !!!

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Hi Mrsoscared

I absolutely agree there is just so much confusing information. I think this is mostly because there is a wide range of possible symptoms and our bodies may all react differently to compensate for any illness and also we don't all have the same metabolism.

My gallbladder was removed October last year but I had a low functioning gallbladder for a few months prior caused by the number of stones.

I'm sorry I'm not sure what you mean by dysantry.. Diarrhoea?

For me the stool colour isn't accompanied by either diarrhoea or constipation. In other words if you're passing bile the stool can be normal apart from colour.

I can't comment on oxbile or enzyme supplements I have no experience with them. I hope I've answered your question smile

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Many doctors can get an idea if a persons digestive system is 'faulty' by stool colour and I noticed that when I was on the course of ursodioxycholic acid my stools were exactly how they should be.

Before the start of that years course my bowels were anyhow and in particular when my gall bladder had 5 stones in it. No doubt if a stones lodges in the bile duct that prevents the bile from being ejected into the intestine therefore stops digestion of the food & therefore the stools would be lighter colour.........

As you said we are almost all different & that's why the 'urso' did it's job for me & yet I see

many cannot take it due to side effects. However if that drug which is natural bile can be given to better the liver affected by chirrosis it must not be as bad on the liver as some think?

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Yes I do not have any symptoms what so ever since I took that years course of Urso. I am truthful in every respect and would never lie about health issues but I can assure evryone that I have found some doctors do tell lies which I think is unforgivable.

If your gall stones are not above 17 to 20mm and are cholesterol based the urso will dissolve them.

As I said I have two stones left out of five and the biggest out of my two is 10mm. This was confirmed over a year ago. I do not eat a fatty diet but I do eat butter with wholemeal bread as I've always done.   I do not know if as a pal of mine does but he has two teaspoons of raw cider vinegar in a drop of warm water every morning before anything else..... There is a lot of advice about digestive system health on the net but does it all work?

I can assure you the urso worked for me. 

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Every single being on this earth should do what is right and eat things that are good for us and only those 'things'...... The scientists say that we humans usually like and enjoy food that does us harm

but on occasion most of us who manage to realize that = 'YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT' refers to all of us and a Chemist who was a slim chap but over six foot said to my mother who he worked with re presciptions    === there was never anyone in 'Belsen' that was fat and I think we all know why that was!

An old bloke who was as fit as a fiddle =90 and still had rosy cheeks always said    I like a pint you know but the rule is moderation in all things and always get up from the table feeling a bit hungry........   No way I thought!

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Good point.

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Micklemus

My grand parents had what would today be deemed a truly unhealthy diet but which in their time was just what people ate.

Lots of salt on everything, rich in animal fats, rich in red meat etc and they both lived into their 90s.

What they did not eat was processed manufactured food pumped full of chemicals and low fat which often =high sugar foods.

If I was really what I eat I'd probably be laying eggs lol with a fresh cream center smile

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As well as what they ate I bet my boots they did not eat no where near what we consume these days?   I keep an open mind on every thing but my mum in law was 94 when she died & ate a good deal of full fat milk cheese and butter but during and after the war there just was not the amount of food available and I think we were hungry most of the time. There were certainly very few sweets

at that time but since ten years after the war everyone made up for the lack of food & dipped their bread in......

As one of my lads (ice hockey player) says if you work hard & burn the calories off it is good

but if too much is eaten the engine might play up. It's an individual thing I think.

I was very surprised to see that a low fat diet can cause gall stones =through lack of gall bladder use!   Mediocre seems best but even then things can go wrong no matter what is done.