Estou tomando pregabalin desde agosto, 75mg pela manhã e 75mg à noite para ansiedade – também estou tomando 30mg de mirtazapina à noite. Como posso começar a reduzir o pregabalin de forma segura, já que quero diminuir antes de ficar tão dependente? Tenho agora cápsulas de 50mg. Você poderia apenas reduzir a dose da manhã ou da noite de 75mg para 50mg, mas não reduzir ambas ao mesmo tempo no mesmo dia? No entanto, essa porcentagem é maior do que os 10% recomendados para redução. Agradeceria muito uma orientação sobre o que fazer e se devo começar a reduzir todos os dias ou espaçar a redução, por exemplo, reduzir apenas um dia por semana na primeira semana, depois dois dias na segunda semana e assim por diante, mas apenas reduzindo a dose da manhã ou da noite, nunca ambas no mesmo dia. Obrigado – Peter.
Hi Peter.
This is a horrible drug and the sooner you get off it the better.
It causes so many different problems that are irreversible.
But they are not your questions.
Firstly, it is okay to drop from 75mg to 50mg both morning and night.
Secondly, it is up to you how often you reduce. However, every second day or so is actually okay but if you want to do it weekly, that is okay, too.
I was put on this pill and after the complications it caused, and after doing a lot of research on it, i decided to simply stopped taking all together. I did not taper down at all.
Yes, there were repercussions and withdrawal type symptoms, but you will have them regardless of a slow taper off or an instant stoppage.
I have not been on these pills for years and still have problems from them.
I know of people who have been off them for around six years and are still experiencing problems from them.
Once they are in your system they begin to destroy certain things that will never be replaced, will never regrow and will never be replaced by your body.
I hope this helps you, and i hope you have no trouble tapering down and stopping them.
Good luck.
Obrigado pela sua resposta tão rápida e gentil. Sinto-me muito assustado, se é a palavra certa, sobre o que está por vir e como e quando começar, e como começar a redução — não vou fazer abstinência total, pois não seria capaz de lidar com essa extrema intensidade. Cuide-se. Atenciosamente, Peter..
You're welcome.
You will be okay, Peter.
The worst thing to do is stress about them.
If you need any help with them or whatever, you can always ask.
If you use the forum, just post, and if you just want to speak to me, use the little envelope to the right of my user name.
Let me know how you go.
All the best.
Muito, muito obrigado - se for honesto, estou um pouco com medo do que está por vir - cuide-se, Peter+.
Posso perguntar, por favor, quanto tempo você está tomando isso? Obrigado = Peter+.
I can understand your fear. I've been there.
I'm sure you'll be okay, though, so try not to stress about it all.
I was on them for about three months to begin with. They were prescribed for nerve pain so i could do physiotherapy but then they stopped helping with the pain, so i stopped taking them. I was on the same dose as you; 75mg twice a day.
When i went back to the doctor, they talked me into giving them another go but at a higher dose. I did and the same thing happened.
Around that time i was waiting for an appointment at the pain clinic and came across a lady who had been on them herself.
To cut it short, i looked into what she told me; did a LOT of research into this med and discovered how bad it is and what it does to people.
I finally got to the pain clinic and the doctors there both told me my symptoms were in my head and that it was a great, safe medication. They told me "if you have no side effects you aren't taking enough. You need to get headaches, dry mouth and blurred vision in the very least to know they are working for you". I found this an odd thing for a doctor to say so i looked further into pregabalin and came across law suits over it and what it has caused to people, what it does and something very interesting - that during the testing and trials, before it was released for human use, it was tested as something else but when the FDA approved it, the makers of it changed the chemical compound and made it into pregabalin, or lyrica. As far as i am aware, this med as it is prescribed, has still not been tested.
It does so much irreversible damage and i refused to go back on it.
All up, i was on them five or six months and i still haven't recovered from taking them...but i realise i won't because the damage has been done.
I have not taken them for about three years, but have met people who haven't taken them for over six years and are still suffering.
I don't want to make your fear greater, but you really are better off without them.
I know i've probably not helped the matter or eased your worry, but i believe people should know what the doctors don't and/or won't tell you about this poison; and that's exactly what it is.
Sorry for the long response, and for telling you some of what i know.
Muito obrigado, posso perguntar como foram seus sintomas de abstinência e quanto tempo demorou para começar após parar de repente? Desculpe por continuar perguntando, obrigado novamente, Peter+.
Olá novamente – desculpe por incomodar.
Reduzi para 50mg durante 9 manhãs consecutivas, depois voltei para 75mg por 1 dia, depois 50, depois 75, e nos últimos 2 dias voltei para 50mg.
À noite, mantive 9 doses de 75mg, depois 1 dose de 50mg, depois voltei para 75mg, depois 1 dose de 50mg, e nas últimas 2 noites mantive 75mg. Tentei manter a estabilidade, e nos dias e noites em que mudei, ainda mantive a mesma quantidade total por dia – seja 50mg de manhã + 75mg à noite, ou 75mg de manhã – 25mg à noite. Essa mudança ocorreu apenas por 2 dias. Você acha que está tudo bem agora reduzir a dose noturna de 75mg para 50mg, conforme a dose diária? Ou devo esperar mais alguns dias? Isso importa? Como você pode ver, estou um pouco preocupado/estressado. Obrigado pelo seu tempo e esforço em responder. Cuide-se. Atenciosamente = Peter +++
Firstly, Peter, you can ask me anything if you think it will help and i will answer as honestly as i can, if i can, so there is no need to apologise.
The withdrawals began the first time i didn't take it, but i also had these symptoms if i happened to forget and miss a dose.
I began sweating uncontrollably. I was hot and cold, like a fever. I ached and had pains in places that i'd never had trouble with. Dizziness, anxiety and my hair began to fall out.
As time wore on, i began to notice my eyesight was becoming sensitive to light and my vision was blurred at times, my headaches got worse, and my teeth ached. Yes...my teeth!, and they began to wobble at times, too.
Just for some info; many, many people who are suing this drug manufacturer have actually lost teeth.
It was horrible!
I met someone who was tapering off pregabalin and they were having much the same symptoms as me.
I hope that helps with that question.
There's no need for apologies.
If i can help you in any way, i will, and no apologies are required.
I understand your worry and stress but you have to remember that the more you stress, the more this can take hold.
Honestly, i don't think it makes much difference if you cut it down again now or wait another couple of days.
What do you want to do?, and what would you feel most comfortable with?
I know you are on mirtazapine, are you on anything else?
If this is worrying you and causing more stress than usual, it may be helpful to go on a benzo for a short while. If you're doing and feeling okay while tapering down, then you're probably better off without one, though.
I only brought that up because you said you were placed on pregabalin for anxiety.
Change of subject:
Can i ask where you are in the big, wide world?
I hope i helped with that answer, too.
If you have any more questions, you know where i am.
Olá, muito obrigado pelo seu tempo e paciência.
A única outra coisa que estou tomando é o phenergen, que foi prescrito para tomar 25g pela manhã e 25g à noite — não tomei o phenergen da manhã para ver como me sinto.
Trabalho em Londres.
Cuide-se e obrigado novamente — Atenciosamente, Peter+++
Hi Peter.
How are you feeling?
Phenergen is an antihistimine, which i'm sure you know. We are able to buy it over the counter here without a prescription.
I am in Australia.
Take care and let me know how you're doing.
All the best.
Olá novamente - sim, nós também podemos comprar aqui sem receita médica.
Tenho tomado essas 2 cápsulas diariamente desde agosto e hoje não tomei a de 25mg da manhã e sinto uma espécie de sensação de abstinência - supostamente não deveria ser viciante. Isso pode ser abstinência? Estou tentando diminuir a dose da cápsula da manhã, mas parece que terei que me desintoxicar reduzindo para 3/4 de cápsula, depois 1/2, depois 1/4. Ou estou sendo bobo(a)? Geralmente, como estou me sentindo? Obviamente não muito bem, preocupado com o pregabalin e com a redução das doses. Como você está? Austrália, uau, que sorte você tem. Cuide-se. Atenciosamente = p+++.
Hey Peter.
Yes, they say it's not addictive but it is.
What feeling do you have that you're thinking is wathdrawal?
Keep in mind that whatever way you go with cutting down, either the way i did or slowly and steadily, you will still have have withdrawals.
You can't escape it.
Hopefully, though, you won't be affected too much.
As i said before, cut down how you feel is best for you. Only you know how you feel. That way the anxiety about it will be less and you will feel better.
If you think you should take the morning dose but lower it over time, then try it. I was on capsules so i couldn't do that.
And NO, you're NOT being silly. Not at all.
Withdrawal from any drug is a horrid thing to go through, it's just some are worse than others which makes the situations different.
I'll help you as much as i can from here, though, so you're not really alone with it all.
I'd love to be where you are...i've always wanted to go to London, and Canada/Alaska. Australia's not as great as everyone thinks it is. We have the wost accent ever, so different to people in the UK. Are you from there?
Olá, obrigado pelo seu tempo ao responder.
Não tomei a pílula de phenergen esta manhã, apenas os 50mg de preg.
Então, atualmente estou tomando 50mg de preg pela manhã.
À noite, 75mg de preg/25mg de phen + 30mg de mirt.
Como você, o preg vem em cápsula, então não posso reduzir em até 10% por mês conforme o recomendado para o preg.
Vou ver o médico na terça-feira e não sei se devo reduzir a dose da manhã de 50mg para 25mg ou reduzir a dose da noite de 75mg para 50mg — acho que reduzir a dose da noite pode ser a melhor ideia.
Entendo que o preg agora vem em forma líquida, então talvez seja uma maneira melhor de reduzir em quantidades menores — quem sabe.
Estava pensando em reduzir hoje ou amanhã a dose noturna de 75mg para 50mg e ver qual será a reação.
Até pensei em reduzir a dose noturna dessa forma:
1ª semana: todos os dias à noite com 75mg, mas reduzir a noite para 50mg.
2ª semana: reduzir 2 noites para 50mg, as outras 5 noites com 75mg.
3ª semana: reduzir 3 noites para 50mg, as outras 4 noites com 75mg.
E assim por diante — MAS SERÁ SÁBIO ALTERAR AS DOSAGENS DESSA FORMA?
No momento, tenho a cabeça nublada e a sensação de não estar totalmente consciente, mas consigo me concentrar. Também tive um pouco de sensação de queimação nas costas.
Na verdade, nasci na Irlanda do Norte, mas tenho sobrenome italiano.
Estou realmente preocupado com o que esperar dos efeitos da retirada do preg e não sei realmente qual é o melhor plano para interromper.
Obrigado pela sua paciência e compreensão — cuide-se, tenha um bom fim de semana.
Atenciosamente, Peter+++
Cuide-se e obrigado pela sua paciência e compreensão.
Hi Peter.
I think you're doing okay, and are on the right track to cutting down slowly. I agree that you should cut the evening dose down rather than the morning as it evens it out a little more, and you still have the phenergen and mirtazapine to help with sleep if you need it.
I also think the way you have outlined the tapering down is good, but are you going to alternate? I think alternating is good but makes your body a little unsure. I feel you would be better doing as you've said, and cutting down at the end of the week so that when the new week begins you're body would have adjusted somewhat.
I would love to say it's either wise or unwise to taper this way, but it depends on how you feel. You also have to take into account that you WILL feel odd or different because you're taking something your body has become used to getting. Think of it as a spoilt kid and don't let the feelings get the better of you, or else all this work would have been a waste of time and you'll have to start over. That said, though, you also don't want to feel so bad that you feel like you're going mad, for want of a better term.
Your foggy head is natural, so is the sluggish awareness with concentration. You'll feel sore and achy so i'm not surprised to hear you have a burning type sensation in your back. The aches and pains are because your nerves are beginning to function again, so expect joint pains and things like that. Also expect your jaw and teeth to ache, and possibly feel loose. If you've injured yourself or do, the pain will also feel worse than it actually is. This is because the pregabalin is losing control over your nerve endings, which is a bad thing for pain, but a good thing because the pregabalin is leaving your body.
I really don't mind helping you, Peter, it actually helps me to know i'm helping someone else, and i really wouldn't mind if you messaged me every few hours or so. If that's what helps you, then that what it takes.
If i can help you, i will.
I know you're worried. This is horrible drug to come off. Like i said, though, if you're having a really hard time of it, maybe some benzos will help. I know they have a bad reputation, but they are actually very useful in a lot of areas, used in the right way...especially this one.
I know i sound like a broken record, but please, try not to worry.
There will be issues with different things, like the fogginess and aches etc, but you're better being off this drug than on it. If you didn't know that we wouldn't be communicating.
Talk to your doctor on tuesday and let him/her know how you're doing and how you're tapering. That will probably make you feel a little more at ease as well.
Please let me know how you're doing and what your doctor says.
And, as always, if you need me just shout! (or message). I'm here if you need me.
Northern Ireland looks like a beautiful place. I used to have a neighbour from there.
No thanks needed and i'll speak to you soon.
Enjoy you're weekend as well.
Take care.
Olá, espero que esteja bem e que tenha tido um bom fim de semana.
Obrigado pela sua resposta tranquilizadora.
Então, se estou correto, você acha que é melhor eu não alternar, mas apenas quando estiver pronto para reduzir a dose da noite de 75mg para 50mg, para que essa se torne a mesma dose da manhã. É isso que você está dizendo, correto? Também li que não é bom alternar, indo para baixo e depois para cima novamente.
Quanto ao phentermine, parei de tomar desde quinta-feira passada, apenas a dose de 25mg pela manhã. Como tenho tomado desde agosto, sinto que pode haver algum tipo de abstinência. Acho que seria melhor voltar a tomar 25mg pela manhã e depois reduzir para 3/4 de comprimido, depois 1/2, depois 1/4 — talvez isso fosse o que eu deveria ter feito inicialmente.
Ou estou me preocupando demais?
Cuide-se e tenha uma boa semana.
Atenciosamente, Peter+++
Hi Peter.
I'm good, thanks and the weekend was okay, too. I hope all's the same your way as well.
How is everything? Are you doing okay?
Yes, you're correct in the way i think you should taper.
If you alternate, it will mess with your body and head, but if you cut down and stay on that dose for a bit, then it gives your body time to adjust to that lower dose and it'll stop expecting more and not go haywire on the days it doesn't.
As for the phenergan. Why were you taking it? I forgot to ask about it before. It shouldn't cause you withdrawals as it's mainly used for nausea or as an anti-histimine, although can be useful as a sleep aid. It's also used as a sedation in minor surgeries.
My advice about this med is take it if and/or as you need it. I take one every morning for hayfever and don't suffer drowsiness, but it causes it in some people.
You should be able to stop this without problems or symptoms if you want to, but keep in mind that it could be a help in sleep and a "bit" of pain relief from some of what the lowering of pregabalin brings.
I think what you are feeling is more from the pregabalin cut down than from cutting down your phenergan.
I hope that makes sense.
If i don't hear from you again tonight, i hope all goes well at the doctor's tomorrow.
All the best.
Olá novamente
Obrigado pela sua resposta tranquilizadora.
Estava tomando o phenergen prescrito pelos médicos para ser tomado quando tomo a prega, só me perguntava porque eu tinha tomado isso desde agosto, talvez estivesse tendo sintomas de abstinência ao deixar de tomar a dose da manhã de repente.
Tenha uma boa noite - cuide-se - saudações = p+++.