i had the pip assesment last wednesday am currently waiting for the result.
i dont expect to get anything but will wait and see.
i have been on pip since last yr and it was for 2 years, I got standard care and standard mobility, my esa assesor asked what pip i got and i told him, he said he thought i should be on higher mobility as i can only walk 3 steps and have to rest for a while before walking again.
i waited for my esa report and sure enough the assesor had written on the report I believe this patient should have higher pip than originally given.
So i sent it of to pip thinking well maybe this will change my claim but if not I will just remain on the award i have.
How wrong was i the nurse who assesed me stated that his report will make no difference and that because i have reported a change of circumstances, my claim starts all over again and i might get nothing at all.
so my advice would be to others if your condition changes, wait untill your sent for to be reassesed because you may loose your original claim altogether.
I can only sit and wait to see if mine has been stopped or changed.
hi dawn.found your case equally baffling.if I've got it right what is your change of circumstances?does it mean that pip assessors and esa assessors are two different departments within a department and one has no say over the other?if so what was the point of the esa assessors writing what he did?who really has authority.who is accountable.all these folk employed to "catch"one person.with much consideration I've now decided it's me.im totally bonkers.good luck dawn.hope you get what you deserve,take care Ivan.
According to people on this site esa and pip and dwp are all different dept. Esa is to assess wether your fit to work or not pip is to decide if your disability is worth getting an extra benefit.
I have sent my esa report off to pip cus esa feel my disability is worth the higher rate and not just standard rate. But what i did not know untill i had reported a change in my condition was that once you report a change in circumstances. Your original claim stops and you are reapplying all over again.
This means my original claim for pip is no longer running apparently although the pip assesor stated i would still get paid my pip until they had made a desicion on my new claim.
I'm sitting and waiting too. Do you think that what we send out comes back to us? I'm sending out positive vibes for my result and not worrying too much.
Sounds airy fairy I know but this approach has helped me so many times.
I keep thinking positive thoughts georgias but i am waiting for a certain person to comment and put a downer on my day, its the same person who told me all the other negative things regarding pi and esa
Hi dawn82680. Wondering why the nurse was so confident that, the ESA report will be of no use up against PIP assessment report!!!! After all, EVERY LITTLE HELPS. Then make a statement saying "you may get nothing at all". Ta.
Dawn, Unfortunately I have been informed that anyone whom has certain illness Eplipsey/Diabeties PIP benefits have been taken away from you probably everyone, . One Assessor,2 applications ( including an appeal), my eplipsey is completely uncontraliable at this time. But they did not do there assessment on me related to now, but 3 years ago it looks like, they did not contact specialists/neurologists.No one, of to tribunal very soon, exhausted by it all, information also put forward to the judge, does not include current medical information which should be included. Do not understand????
I have just experienced this ridiculous and illogical process.i told PIPS that I had had shoulder surgery in October I was already on PIPS and had been awarded for two years enhanced rate with16 points.It was.only when I reported that I was.in a worse condition that I was reassessed and lost my PIPS as I only got 7points second time around. I fought this and went to Tribunal and after 6months of horrific stress and absolutely no money and two sons and my being a single mother unable to.work and put into.the support group by ESA. They both come under the DWP. So I was reinstated and back paid for 6 months. I proved that the assessor had contradicted and lied. So I back to my original award but went through a nightmare to get back to where I was.innthe beginning!!!!!!!??!?!??!?!???#/#;-
hi dawn.thanks for reply.im new to pip and their ideas of fun but know esa.esa people have been relatively small use to me.its a genuinely learning curve for me at moment.hope I'm not baffling you in process.what a strange race these assessors are.im beginning wonder if they're holograms.liked the posts about positive thoughts. couldnt agree more.
I reported my circumstances had changed since originally applying for PIP (got standard DL, no mobility) because my mobility had deteriorated dramatically, I also applied for ESA as my SSP had ended.
I was assessed for ESA by MAXIMUS, the lady was a physiotherapist who had knowledge and experience of people with my condition, my assessment lasted 15 minutes and I was placed in the support group.
My PIP assessment was with ATOS. I was assessed by a nurse who had never heard of my condition, She kept asking me to do things that I told her were painful, lied on the report regarding my needs and despite putting on her report that I need help getting dressed marked the needs no help descriptor. This was used by DWP and I lost 4 points - so not only had my increased mobility needs been ignored, I also lost my DL award?
I am now awaiting the decision for my mandatory recon, but I imagine I will have to appeal again.
It is disgusting that the DWP do not take both ESA & PIP into consideration, especially as they use inexperienced so called health professionals for PIP claims.
The DWP spend millions on using these companies, the very least they should demand is that they have competent HCPs in their employ who have experience with peoples conditions.
Sorry for this turning into a rant but it makes my blood boil
Anyway, good luck again, I hope you get the decision you deserve
Dawn that is excellent advice. Anyone who is in receipt of DLA or PIP should wait until called for an assessment.
This is especially difficult for those whose condition gets worse but it simply isn't worth the risk, unless the change a severe worsening and the claimant can get gold plated medical evidence.
I had a rheumatologist report, & GP letter. I asked my Physio for a report or letter but he said they only provide for DWP on their request. I didn't know what else I could use as evidence
Ivan ESA and PIP are 2 different benefits with different qualifying criteria. ESA assesses your ability to work. PIP is paid to help with the extra cost of disability.
Although both departments belong to the DWP they are looking at different criteria. PIP has 10 descriptors for daily living and 2 for mobility. It is a point scoring exercise which works on the balance of probabilities. That means it takes a lot more (generally) than a simple self-assessment (as per DLA) to qualify for the benefit.
Generally you will need very good medical evidence, a care plan and a carer statement to have any chance.
ESA is usually the easier of the 2. The descriptors are far more generous but it is still a hard benefit to claim.
Dawn was always going to have another assessment if she took the assessor's advice and reported a change of circumstances. That said she has gold plated evidence as the assessor has made a finding she fits the higher mobility criteria by being unable to walk more than 3 steps (the maximum is 20m)
So whilst Dawn is guaranteed nothing she has got a significant swing in the balance of probabilities in her favor. Hopefully the PIP assessor will concur and she will qualify for the higher rate.
Was the rheumatologist report a recent one which explained your condition had got worse?
You have to understand that the assessor needs to see recent evidence that your condition had got worse. If he doesn't see any evidence then you can't blame him for coming to the conclusion that he did. All assessors work on the balance of probabilities and if you can’t produce up to date evidence then they must report a non finding on your condition.
If you have been to a Physio then you can use any reports contained within your medical records. Contact your Health Authority and ask for access. Usually there is a £10 charge plus a small charge for any photocopies (about 10p per copy). It is quite surprising what your medical records can throw up.