I have been experiencing what it seems multiple gout attacks for the past 5 weeks. It all started on the back of my right foot where the aquilles meets the heel and my GP thougth at first it was a tendonitis. A couple of days later it moved to the outer ankle, same foot. Two days later, to the big toe but on my left foot, a week later the external section of the sole (left foot). Just when I thougth I was getting better it came back somewhere else or same place as the days before. Obviously it wasn't tendonitis and I knew that a few years ago I had my uric acid levels up (9+) however, the recent test done during these attacks showed my Uric Acid as 7.1mg/dl which is on the high end but within the normal limits. I am not a meat eater or drinker so I can't say it is 100% associated with poor diet eventhough my diet isn't perfect. I blamed these attacks on a rapid weight loss I have had due to lots of excercise (12+ lbs in a couple of months) and carb diet, I am back to what I believe is my normal weight. I have read that weight loss can trigger attacks due to the concentration of Uric Acid. I have read all the comments of many people on their gout experiences and I feel for all of you, it is a very painful illness. During these last multi attacks I really thought it was going to be over in a few days but it has been 5 weeks and just now I can walk 'almost' normal. I still feel pain on the sole of my left foot and my left toe is still stiff with minor redness but inflammation is almost gone. Does any one have any idea how longer is this going to take to be over?. The lessons I have learned throughout this ordeal come from medical articles I have been reading and other gout sufferers comments. I can tell you that for everyone the trigger is different, that gout diet is not really as well understood as we think, I have read several professional opinions on food, some say tomatos are bad, beans are bad, spinach is bad, tuna is bad, salmon is bad, etc. and of course the usual suspects (red meat and alcohol) and then I find articles where they say the opposite or point out the lack of proof that some of these food are the cause. In fact I read and article/study where they say diet contributes only 12% to gout issues (?). A doctor friend of mine found a study performed by a US University where they find no correlation between red meat and gout (?), I have not gotten a hold of this paper but when I do I will share the details. Anyway I hope sharing my limited experience with gout can generate some feedback on why a gout attack can last so long.
Juan, nach dem, was Sie beschreiben, klingt es für mich nicht nach Gicht. Es klingt eher so, als hätten Sie eine Art Autoimmunarthritis oder rheumatoide Arthritis.
Ich habe auch etwa 40 Pfund abgenommen, und obwohl ich etwas Gichtschmerzen im Fuß verspürte, wurde es nicht schlimmer, sondern besser. Und ich hatte nie wieder einen Anfall, nachdem ich das Gewicht verloren hatte.
Die Lebensmittel, auf die Sie sich beziehen, heißen Nachtschattengewächse. Sie enthalten etwas, das Lektine genannt wird, und ihre Werte sind so hoch, dass sie die Übeltäter für Arthritisschmerzen sind. Dazu gehören Tomaten, Kartoffeln, Paprika, Auberginen, Cayennepfeffer und Bohnen.
Ich esse gelegentlich Fleisch, aber das gibt mir keine Gicht. Aber wenn ich eines der Nachtschattengewächse esse oder trinke, dauert es nicht lange, bis ich arthritische Schmerzen und Entzündungen in meiner Achillessehne, meinen Knöcheln und meinen Händen spüre.
Das Internet enthält so viele Informationen, dass Laien sich wirklich nicht darauf verlassen sollten, es sei denn, die Quelle stammt von einer renommierten, in diesem Fall medizinischen Website.
Ich habe in der medizinischen Forschung und als Krankenschwester gearbeitet, sodass ich nur medizinische Websites nutze und einigen Ärzten folge, um meine Informationen zu beziehen. Ich hoffe, diese Informationen helfen Ihnen.
Eine letzte Sache, die ich vergessen habe zu erwähnen, trinken Sie Unmengen von Wasser. Und halten Sie sich von Fruchtgetränken oder Gatorade oder irgendetwas mit hohem Fruktosegehalt, Maissirup oder Diätgetränken fern. Es ist entscheidend, Diätgetränke und hfcs (hohe Fruktose Maissirupe) zu meiden. Diese drei Getränke verursachen auch arthritische Schmerzen und Gicht.
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Firstly, the fact that your doctor did a Utica acid test during a gout attack shows that
a) he/she was asleep on the afternoon the studied gout
b) doesn't bother to read the NICE instructions they are given.
My advice: change GP.
Blood urate levels fall to normal during a gout attack. The GPs instructions are to take a blood test 4-6 weeks after the attack.
Weight loss will not "cause" the attack, but it will trigger it.
To end the attack your doctor should have given you the following advice and medication: drink loads of water, put the foot up when possible, put it in very hot and or very cold water (whichever you find best), drink loads more water, stop drinking alcohol, keep up the exercise, drink loads more water, and assuming you have no other comorbidity - take colchicine.
As for red meat - vegans get gout. On a 100 kilo man catabolism (your body destroying its own tissues as a part of replacing them) produces enough primes that to get the same through meat you'd have to eat 1.5 to 2 kg of meat. Unless you have the diet of a Begal Tiger your diet isn't the problem. The problem is probably: genes, age, kidneys not as they were, and probably overweight and fatty liver (but not always).
The solution long term is wait till a few weeks after the attack ends and see if your blood urate is higher than say 6.0. If it isn't then look for another cause.
If it is, then take allopurinol in high enough dose to flush out the stores of monosodium urate.
Note: long term high blood urate leads to blood vessel damage, kidney damage and heart attack. Gout causes damage to joints.
There is no good reason to control purine intake based on the research, but nobody wants to hear that. When I asked several researchers why this advice is still given the answer was a) tradition b) some foods trigger attacks in some people c) it gives the patient a sense that they can control it.
Good luck and good health.
My attack lasted over 60 days. My highest uric acid test was 12.2 must and I tried to adjust by diet at first. We could lower the level into the 8s. That's when testing began. After a 24hr urine test and some blood testing it was found that I was over producing uric acid. Only thing I could do is go on meds. I now have my life back.
Thats very interesting as that is less than 10% who are over producers. IN reality I think that for most of us, the only solution is allopurinol.
What is your normal level of uric acid now?
Uric acid not Utica.
Thanks for the feedback, it is helpful. I am new to these gout issues, I am 46 yo and from your input and what I have read so far I am starting to believe that diet eventhough important to one's health it is not the solution to gout as many put it. I excercise 5-6 days a week, I do not drink, my red meat intake is low, fairly decent diet, not overweight and I have gout. If we pay attention to the list of food we cannot eat to avoid gout we basically would have very few options left to eat. I am still under what my doctor think is a gout attack (5 weeks on now) and he has not ordered another Uric Acid test so I do not know my current levels. When he first ordered the test about 4 weeks ago it was 7.1 mg/dl. I can walk now, but still have pain (foot sole) and stiffness (big toe). This has been very frustating for me, never thought a gout attack can last so long and disrupt your life like this, if this is indeed gout (the symptoms point to it). I will see my GP next week and I will ask for a referral to a Rheumatologist as I would like to discard the possibility of something else.
Thanks Sochima, Yes I have thought about the possibility of something else other than gout but my GP hasn't mentioned it. I am planning to see a Rheumatologist as I mentioned in my other reply to someone else. I am not really sure my gout symptoms were trigger by any sort of food, i eat all sort of vegetables usually without any issue so can't really think of one single item I ate in excess before my gout attack. I would appreciate if you can point me to a good medical website so I can inform myself better. Have you been diagnosed with gout or any other type or arthritis, just curious?
Nun, ich kann hier keine Websites posten, da sie es nicht erlauben, aber wenn Sie in Ihrer berühmten Suchmaschine "Gichtorganisation" eingeben, werden Sie eine Arthritis-Organisation finden, für die Gicht als eine Form von Arthritis gilt, und eine weitere mit einem medizinischen Referenznamen. Diese beiden sollten helfen.
Wenn Sie über mehrere Tage hintereinander Spinat, Blumenkohl oder Grünkohl oder Weizen (vor allem Vollkorn) essen, sollten Sie mit einem Schub rechnen. Diese Gemüse und Getreide sollten nicht oft verzehrt werden, wenn Sie an Gicht leiden.
Ich wurde mit 14 Jahren mit Gicht diagnostiziert. Ich wurde drei Monate lang in einen Gips gelegt. Alles war gut, bis ich mit etwa 40 Jahren mit der Einnahme von Aspirin begann. Fast eine sichere Wette, dass Sie, wenn Sie gichtkrank sind und täglich ein Aspirin einnehmen, einen Gichtanfall bekommen werden, ebenso wie der Verzehr von purinreichen Lebensmitteln. Ich bin mir nicht sicher, ob Vollkornweizenbrot auf der Liste steht, aber Vollkornweizenbrot verursacht Gicht.
Der einzige Weg, um jeder Art von Arthritis/Gicht entgegenzuwirken, ist, sich mit Dehnübungen aufzuwärmen, bevor Sie mit Ihrem Workout beginnen, und mit niedriger bis mittlerer Intensität zu trainieren. Ich trainiere nur etwa 30-40 Minuten, mostly beim Aufwärmen. Ellipsentrainer und Fahrräder sind eine gute Möglichkeit, sich aufzuwärmen.
Zuletzt gibt es eine Website, die alle purinreichen Lebensmittel auflistet. Suchen Sie danach, sie ist leicht zu finden. Ich hoffe, das hilft.
Juan
I'd just reiterate one point. The long term objective is to not simply stop your foot hurting, but is the long term management of the underlying hyperuricemia, which given time substantially increases mortality, heart attacks, vein problems, strokes and kidney issues.
My experience is that the rheumatologist are more conscious of this than GPs.
Good health.
Hi Rusty
Thanks for the advice. Yes I agree. Does this mean I will be put on Allupurinol? I do not know of any other gout treatmens out there, are there?
Febuxostat - advantage of allopurinol is that it is well understood, well tolerated and dirt cheap. Do not take it if you are Han Chinese Korean or Thai.
The reason most people give up on it is that for the first year it causes gout as the monosodium urate crystals in your body are removed. For this I have 100 at a time colchicine: first sign of a twinge I take one. Some doctors give them out six at a time as if they're morphine.
The only problem I had with allopurinol - for first few weeks made me sleep like a baby. After couple of months it affected my stomach so used to hide it in a bit of banana. That lasted a month. Now it's no problem at all. The normal dose to flush you out is about 300 mg. Work up to it. Get regular blood tests to check blood urate. Ideally get it down to 3.
Hello juan. I was wondering if you ever found out of you were having something other than goit and if you ever got better? I am having very similar problem. I have a history of what i was told was gout but never just had it in the big toe joint. Usually side or middle of foot or whole foot or knee. This lastest on is both feet one knee and an elbow. Its been two months now and im having a very hard time getting up and moving. Seems to start to get better but then gets worse again. I too am ganna get a doc to send me to an RA doc.