What constitutes alcoholism?

Hello

I'm not sure if anyone can answer this, but since I feel it may be an issue, I'm probably in the right place to ask...

I'm currently on Sertraline (100mg) for anxiety, as well as various other meds including sleeping pills (zopiclone 7.5mg), but my drinking habits are the same as they have ever been, without any reaction to my meds (been on them for about 5 months). I'm also now seeing a counsellor who is telling me that my drinking habit is "dangerous" and that if I carry on the way I'm going, I will "most likely be a fully-fledged alcoholic" by the time I'm in my fifties (I'm 32 now).

To paint the picture, I usually drink at least 5 nights out of 7; sometimes only one glass of red wine, but often (and mainly at weekends) as much as 2-3 bottles of wine along with numerous glasses of whisky or brandy to follow. I admit that I have taken occasional days off work because I've been hungover, but only because my work is flexible, so I make sure I do my contracted hours each week, regardless of how I might be feeling. If I know I absolutely have to go to work the following day, I won't mess around with booze. And if I ever do - it's my own fault if I feel bad at work.

The main thing is that I drink because I enjoy it, not because I NEED to. I rarely drink alone (although I happily can and occasionally do), but the reason I drink to the extent that I do is because of my tolerance level, which has always been very high. I'm not an aggressive, tearful, unbalanced or nasty drunk. I tend to stay the same, just a little more animated. I am never, ever sick and I never lose control.

My counsellor thinks I am in danger of becoming alcohol dependent, but to me drinking has always been my family culture. I would never dream of drinking in the morning - the thought of that is horrific (apart from on Christmas Day), but anything past midday has always been acceptable in my family (of course NOT on a work day).

Am I right to be defending myself and telling my counsellor that this is normal for me and that I am in control of it? Or am I severely in denial? I'm certainly not naïve enough to think this is good for my health (and that's something I do need to work on, since I eat very healthily), but I'm not prepared to admit that I am "verging on alcoholism".

If anyone has any comments, advice or observations, I would be very grateful indeed.

Bella

Will chat tomorrow! send a messege . night night .

 

As far as "full blown alcoholism", it's hard to judge;  I'm only 31 and was diagnosed several years ago.  The easiest way to self-diagnose is if you spend much of your time surrounding the idea or preparation of consuming alcohol.  Activities are organized that must have booze.  And if you go without alcohol for 96 hrs and feel moderate to severe physical withdrawals (or hospitalized as I have been) then yep you're probably an alcoholic.  Alcoholics are not just people who like to drink; if only it were that simple.  Alcoholics are those that have become physically dependent and it is surprisingly easy to obtain (I'm Irish so it's in my blood as well to drink) depending on what you drink.  I continue to drink, but in very limited quantities due to reverse tolerance and you may not have crossed that road yet but believe me, you will. 

hi bella. i am a alcoholic in recovery. from what you have said you seem to be in grave danger of harming your health, you say you are in control of your drinking please think now before it is to late, i was convinced i was in control of my drinking but it put me in hospital 3 times, please i beg you go out and get and get help and listen to your councilour, i had a near death experiance it got that bad,i have since not touched any alcohol,you say you are not aggressivejust a bit animated does that mean you are loud and full of high spirits,if so is that how you normaly are,i do not know what els to say,but stay in control and take care i wish you all the luck in the world   

Thank you for your response and I'm very sorry to hear that you've been through this, it sounds like you've had an ordeal.

I think the fact that I've been made aware of it is only a positive thing because now I can start to address it instead of assuming it's "normal".

What symptoms would constitute a physical withdrawal to alcohol? I don't think I've often gone more than 96 hours without at least a very tiny drink (at least not in the last few months), so I've no idea whether I'd experience this. Also, with reverse tolerance, do you literally have about one drink and feel drunk very quickly? I had no idea that happened.

Hi al5aph49. Thanks for your reply. I am definitely going to take on board what my counsellor has said to me - it has already made me feel a little horrified and more conscious of how much I'm drinking. For example, tonight I would absolutely love a whisky or a glass of wine, but instead I'm sticking to water. It's difficult, but I'm determined to try not to drink during the week and then cut down at weekends.

Congratulations on your recovery, and I wish you all the best continuing with it.

Bella

Reverse tolerance isn't the same as a "cheap drunk".  It's a lower tolerance due to the fact that you've used it to the point where your body simply cannot process it as well.  Also, periods of sobriety make it worse.  Refer to the "kindling" effect of withdrawals in your research.  Tolerance is similar.  To answer your question of physical withdrawal, it can be as mild as a "hangover"...do yourself a favor and get a Thiamin (vitamin b1) supplement; people who drink regularly only absorb a small amount of thiamin.  This is the leading cause of Wernicke-Korsakoff Syndrome, or "wet brain". Other symptoms may include involuntary movement of limbs, sweats, nausea, severe sensitivity to light.  They may progress into hallucinations (mostly due to light/noise sensitivity and a dehydrated and depleted body of the core B1,6 12 and vitamin c.  If you want to continue to drink, do not drink water afterwards.  It dilutes your body's homeostasis (already thrown off from the alcohol).  Drink Gatorade or powerade.  Or if you wanna spend the money, buy Pedialyte. Leading cause of alcoholic seizures is electrolyte imbalance due to gorging on water.

I failed to answer your questions in order with the last message.  My apologysmile No, it doesn't take one drink to become drunk with reverse tolerance; I was in the US Navy and drank HEAVILY so where a case of 6% beer got me loaded, it takes roughly half.  Symptoms of withdrawal outside of a "hangover" do not act as a hangover. Agitation is expected when "hung over".  However, the biological ramifications of over-indulgence can be rated without the use of a doctor on this scale.  1) Mild: 1-4 hrs after the last drink.  Restlessness, cold sweats, overly-anxious.  Headache, usually symptoms of a casual hangover after a binge 2)  Moderate: Migraine-like symptoms, palm sweat and paranoia or feelings of persecution/judgment.  Normal hangover symptoms become worse and only with alcohol reintroduced into the body subsides the body's "anxiety".  3)  Severe:  Heart palpitations, irregular heartbeat or a pulse rate at or above 100/minute.  Involuntary eye movement, general unawareness of time/date, seizures, potential stroke or heart attack. 4) Death.  If you achieve anything past step 1) and then "taper" or lessen your use then go back to a greater amount, each time will increase the likelihood of the withdrawals becoming more severe or life-threatening.  Diazepam or Lorazepam (Valium, Ativan) will greatly decrease the possibility of death (Alcohol over-actives the GABA receptors in the brain and those drugs act in the same manner).  Yeah, it's not fun, it's not a guarantee for every drinker or heavy drinker.  Genetic gamble if you hit the sauce as we dosmile hope that helps

I have to say that all of that sounds utterly terrifying. I can't be sure I have suffered withdrawal symptoms since the meds I'm currently on cause a lot of nausea, anxiety, night sweats, etc, and my heart rate has always been quite erratic. I suppose all I can do is severely cut down and be aware of what I'm drinking (although, saying that, I have just got home from work and poured myself a large glass of whisky!).

Thank you for explaining things in so much detail.

I am not a former drinker so this isn't a Pro-Sobriety commentarysmile  I drink.  Daily.  Problem with whiskey or any brown/orange liquor is it slows down the ability of the liver to process the ethanol into sugar.  That's also why brown/orange liquor have more flavor than clear ethanol (Vodka takes on any flavor of mixer because the majority of its ingredients are filtered out before distrubution).  Point? If you want to cut down, I would not recommend whiskey or anything above 12% ABV (wine, essentially).  It won't work and it will get worse.  Or maybe it won't, but as this is a forum for alcoholism I'd say it's not an off-base assumption. Sticking to beer is my recommendation.  As we drink as we do, it will eventually cause health problems.  Beer will prolonge that unfortunate reaction with the body rather than spirits.  It may take more to get the desired effect but your liver will thank you as your stomach fills up before your liver has problemssmile

 

And you are most welcome for going into detail.  Better to learn it from someone that has been there than experience it. 

Oh, blimey, how do I not know any of this (about how brown/orange liquors are processed)? I'm 32 for goodness sake, not 19! I am a fan of wine, but since I drink quite a lot of red (hence why I'm here), I do like to switch to whisky or brandy now and again, since they are my favourite other drinks.

Unfortunately I am not a fan of beer, unless it's an ice cold bottle (of few) at a BBQ in the summer! I do like vodka, but since I won't drink fizzy drinks/mixers (because, ironically, I find them unhealthy) with it, I rarely drink it because I'm not overly keen on the taste of it on its own (same as gin).

Oh dear. I have a lot of work to do.

Beer is hit-or-miss like many tastes; I cannot stand the taste of scotch, gin or brandy.  Beer? I have my preferences as well but you only build a preference if you enjoy the first few in the first place.  Some do, some don't. Worst thing to drink in my opinion is tequila or mezcal and those are also the best drunken nights I've had. I think you know to never take the "drink the bottle and then eat the worm test on mezcal" challenge.  There never is a winner as nobody can keep score anymore...or remember their first grade teacher haha.  Being a drunk can be an art, but most of the time it turns against you and that is what it did to me.  It became a proverbial "devil" on my shoulder.  It still sits there and taunts me that I'm only a few yards (mtrs for you metrics) away from programmed bliss.  Associate good times with alcohol enough and good times need alcohol.  Still in that cycle.  Funny how you can every other fishbowl on a counter and comment on their bowl's shape, size and do it logically but do it from a standpoint that everyone but me is in THEIR fishbowls?  Little do you know, they're thinking the same thing.

Last section about fishbowls was a joke, there was supposed to be a proverbial "I/you" in the bowl but Windows 8 is terrible with its pad.  Deleted the context otherwise it would make sensesmile

 

Haha, funny... biggrin

Having drunk all my alcohol supplies on Wednesday night (half a bottle of whisky and two bottles of red wine.......!!) and stayed up until half past five the following morning doing so, I am now refusing to buy any more booze this weekend, hence I will not be able to drink even if I want to.

However, it's Friday early evening, & I am already craving a glass of whisky. But I shall not succumb. If I can't go a few days without drinking then I really DO have issues greater than I thought rolleyes

It is easy to get sucked in, but if you feel like not drinking at all but start having those side-effects I talked about then either get some booze or go to a doctor and get a  script for diazepam or lorazepam.  Better to do it slowly than just stop!smile me? I'm doing my beer diet as usual.  Whiskey and wine days are behind me haha

HOPE ALL OK ! XX

 

I can't imagine ever using the words "whisky and wine days are behind me"... eek

I was a good girl last night, I didn't succumb, but today I have bought a litre bottle of Famous Grouse and two bottles of Prosecco. Not to say I will open/drink any of them, but they are there...

 

Thanks for asking, all ok for now thanks smile

I never imagined the days of not drinking my favs; Dirty Belvedere martini, 3 olives.  Or Jameson on the rocks til I forgot how to spell.  It may not come for you, and I sincerely hope it doesn't; it is not a fun experience to know the finer things in a drinking habit and not be able to do them.  Better to have loved and lost it than to have never loved at at all, right?  If things are ok, then things are okay.  Maybe you had better luck (or I drank a SHIT TON more way too early in life) than I did.  Still riding the horse, but I don't go full speed anymore.  Who knows?  ...for now I'm a VERY not social drinker but not where I was (or where you are) about 3 years ago.