BM talk again !!!

7 weeks on I am still having trouble going to the toilet !!!

Still on Movicol and docusate and they are working fine - stools are very soft !! It is the actual going which is the issue.

After a chat with Matron I did feel like I am in the process of having to retrain me and my body on how to actually have a BM as its not worked like that for a lot of years. I will have an Ok day where I feel sort of in control but would never describe myself as having emptied my bowels and then the next day it will be like I have been superglued and regardless of the fact I know it is all sat there and soft there is nothing I can do to get it out !!! In the past before surgery when I have had that feeling I would just push the bulge in the vagina !! I hate the fact that this is coming into my head as that's when I panic the prolapse is back !!! I do feel like everything moves feeling like its pushing out again when I try to go and I know this sounds like a really stupid question but define straining !? Surely I have to push a bit !?

Sorry definitely on a down day - not coping aswell today with the BM issues !!

Hello Bunky. I'm sorry you are still having problems but I do think you need to give it a bit more time. Whenever someone asks me something that I'm not 100% sure of the answer I start doing some research. This problem is probably more common than I thought and in some areas (mine included) Urogynaecologists have started working with colorectal consultants to help women who have this problem before and after a rectocele repair. I would speak to your GP and ask if there's anyone in your health trust that does this type of outpatient clinic.

Bunky, I know exactly what you mean when you say 'define straining' because I thought the same thing!  To open the muscle to allow anything to come out I felt I had to push slightly (otherwise it would come out all the time) but it's just a gentle sort of push.  I did read online somewhere about pushing so the abdomen pushes outwards or something like that - I can't remember exactly what it was but it was a way of avoiding putting pressure on the vagina I think.  I've a feeling I've not been much help here, but hopefully just knowing that you're not the only one to not understand how you don't strain at all to 'go' might help!

Me too. Poo doesn't just fall out! It's not normal!

Hi bunky I found when I needed to go I wud rock back and forth and side to side it did help alot

Oh I'm sorry - but my first thought was I wouldn't let you anywhere near a rocking chair in my home Joan LOL!

Thanks Matron ! I am seeing the consultant again a week tomorrow - is it something he would be able to refer me to or would a GP be better !? X

Thank you Chris ! I felt so stupid asking the question but I think this op makes you so paranoid about the damn prolapse returning that I just wasn't sure ! There is no way at the moment I could sit on the toilet and do nothing ! I would be there all day with piles and no BM !!! Maybe tmi !! Sorry !! Hehe X

It's not is it !!! Or is it supposed to do that !? I have never spoken about poo and my BMs so much in all my life !!! X

Thanks Joan will give it a go ! X

Haha !!! You know what if it meant I actually went 'normally' I would convert a rocking chair into a loo ! :-)

I think you're just raising questions that everyone else is wondering about but hasn't asked:-)))))  Including me!:-)))))

Tears of laughter now :-))))

Leave it to your consultant Bunky because if he does think a referral to another consultant is appropriate it will be much quicker than through your GP. He may have other ideas though because at the end of the day he is the expert and he knows your bits and pieces almost as well as you do. Start writing down when you have the problem, date, time etc and what the outcome is because if you're like me when it comes to the appointment other things tend to take over.

Hi all,

I'm so pleased you've asked this question! I sit in the loo thinking the same thing! I remember reading the rocking thing... I think in an early post on here and that works for me. Haha... Something I would never admit anywhere other than on here...

I'm also absolutely paranoid that the prolapse is going to return so you're not on your own there either!

Gosh, what has happened to us all lol 😂

Hi Bunky, I'm 9 nearly 10 weeks post a&p repair and I'm having the same problem. Unless I am really really careful with my diet and take movicol every night then it just sits in my bowel.

i almost feel like pushing on my perineum to get it out like before I had the repair. And it's so tempting to strain but I'm totally paranoid of the repair failing.

Today im completely constipated Ive had a feel inside and there's no bulge back I don't think, but I can feel the poo in my vagina through the walls, can anybody else?? Is this normal or is it a sign of the rectocele coming back?

im in the process of cutting out dairy and wheat for various reasons

 and when I'm strict with what I eat my bowl works well but otherwise it's just like before! God it's depressing thinking about poo all the time! 

Hi I think as soon as we all feel a little different we all start to panic.in case it's Back.,me too.,think positive..it's all good Matron is here.,that's what I say to myself..😳😘💕

I think you're right debra and it's understandable. The thing you have to remember is that for all the time you had your prolapse (and I'm talking to all of you ladies here) your bowel wasn't functioning correctly because your stools had to follow a different tract. Does that sound reasonable? Then to confuse your bowels again you have a repair and suddenly there are muscles that once became slack and lazy are having to wake up and start to work again but not only that something else occurred. A man/woman wearing gloves starts to man handle the bowel and leaves it not feeling very happy. I'm not being patronising here just trying to explain why your bowel takes some time to get back to normal 😘😘😘

You are a true star..I'm quite happy if you can't or won't move in with me..because you no what it's like having you on the end of the phone anyway 😃😃😘😘

Thanks Matron that's actually a really good idea as I forget to mention things aswell !